[SOLVED] xorg-server 1.9.x causes crashes on clicks

squeegee · 2010-11-26 07:29:15

I've been waiting to see if a later version of xorg-server solved this, and we are now up to 1.9.2, and it's still occurring. If I install xorg-server 1.9.x (as well as xf86-input-evdev and xf86-video-vesa), then I have some strange issue.

I get random crashes back to the login screen. The only way I've found to reliably recreate it is to launch Emacs: Merily launching it causes it to go back to GDM login. Autokey will cuase any click on anything to do the same thing, but I have it disabled for the time being.

My hardware is as follows:

SuperMicro X8DA3 motherboard
Dual Xeon e5520 @ 2.27 Mhz (Not overclocked)
12 GB RAM (12 x 1 GB DIMM)
4 1 TB hard drives (WD BLACK)
1 2 TB samsung F4
Asus Xonar D2 (pci version)
Nvidia 92b video card (geforce 9800)
Nvidia 200b video card (geforce gtx 275)
2 1600x1200 samsung LCD monitors
1 1920x1200 samsung LCD monitor
ABS USB keyboard
Logitech G5 Laser mouse
Logitech Webcam 9000
1 PCIExpress port exapansion SATA controller
connected to external case with 4 2 TB samsung F4
USB DVD+-RW
Pioneer BD-RW

Any pointers on how to proceed will be greatly appreciated. My guess is this is a driver conflict or something, but I don't have any special drivers other than Nvidia installed. This has occured on the last 3 Nvidia driver updates, as well as the testing 1.9.x, 1.9.0, and 1.9.2 xorg-server versions. It works normally with the 1.8.1-902 I was (and am now) using.

One last thing: I have my displays set up via xinerama, as I have been unable to get a single desktop to span the 3 monitors via xrandr (xrandr doesn't seem to handle multiple cards yet - STILL!), which means not only no randr support but also no compositing support. I see console message often along the lines of "randr support missing" (and some apps won't work without out - I'm looking at you aisleriot...).

Last edited by squeegee (2010-12-01 04:04:55)

rabid_works · 2010-11-26 16:09:11

Hmmm, not sure if it's related but have you seen the following thread? It seems to deal with nvidia/xinerama/xorg1.9 and random crashes...
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=106125

squeegee · 2010-11-27 02:16:45

rabid_works wrote:

Hmmm, not sure if it's related but have you seen the following thread? It seems to deal with nvidia/xinerama/xorg1.9 and random crashes...
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=106125

Yeah, I saw that already. I don't have the QT libs installed at all (they are in the ignorepkg line in pacman.conf), so I am positive they aren't the issue. Also, that thread mentions resizing and clicking within a specific apps window: In my case, it only occurs reliably (so far that I know of) in Autokey and Emacs; In autokey, I use the Gtk GUI (it has a seperate QT/KDE GUI), and a click anywhere does it (like the other thread, sorta), but in Emacs it's merely double-clicking the desktop icon that causes it (or launching from the menu does it as well).

I am just about to the point where I am either going to stick with 1.8 long term (bad idea), or rebuild all the xorg stuff I need to in debug mode and see what all it shows.

If I could get wayland to work with the nvidia drivers, I'd give up on xorg completely. Maybe it's time to look into a <gasp>commercial</gasp> X server...

ewaller · 2010-11-27 03:35:52

Anything interesting in the Xorg logs that tells the tale of the crash?

squeegee · 2010-11-27 11:14:07

ewaller wrote:

Anything interesting in the Xorg logs that tells the tale of the crash?

No, and that is what has me so puzzled (and annoyed...). No message in syslog, Xorg.0.log, or any other log I could find. Its just freakin' bizaare. I went as far as doing a find / for anything modified in the last 30 minutes, after rebooting to make sure all buffers were flushed, and after shuffling through hundreds (thousands?) of results, none of them contained anything that I could see as being anything like a log of the crash (or whatever it is; technically, I don't know its a crash - it just exits to the GDM login, and all my loaded processes, etc. have been removed from memory... so it feels like a crash... but I could not, at this point, prove it).

As no-one seems to have any more of an idea than I do, I think its time to recompile in debug and try solving this that way. It'll be a pita, but if it gets resolved it'll be worth it. Unless its something stupid I did, then, well, all bets are off (I think over the last 2 months or so of dealing with this, I've eliminated the stupid things... famous last words). Between that and full logging, I should at least find somthing.

squeegee · 2010-11-27 11:16:45

One more little tidbit: I exchanged a GF 8800 GTS 512 (G92) for the current 9800 GT (G92b) while dealing with this issue, for an unrelated issue (needed access to a PCI-Express x4 slot that was under the double wide cooler), and this has behaved the same before and after the swap. Being that its basically the same hardware, I'm not surprised, but I thought I'd mention it jic.

listdata · 2010-11-30 18:32:49

squeegee wrote:

rabid_works wrote:
Hmmm, not sure if it's related but have you seen the following thread? It seems to deal with nvidia/xinerama/xorg1.9 and random crashes...
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=106125
Yeah, I saw that already. I don't have the QT libs installed at all (they are in the ignorepkg line in pacman.conf), so I am positive they aren't the issue. Also, that thread mentions resizing and clicking within a specific apps window: In my case, it only occurs reliably (so far that I know of) in Autokey and Emacs; In autokey, I use the Gtk GUI (it has a seperate QT/KDE GUI), and a click anywhere does it (like the other thread, sorta), but in Emacs it's merely double-clicking the desktop icon that causes it (or launching from the menu does it as well).
I am just about to the point where I am either going to stick with 1.8 long term (bad idea), or rebuild all the xorg stuff I need to in debug mode and see what all it shows.
If I could get wayland to work with the nvidia drivers, I'd give up on xorg completely. Maybe it's time to look into a <gasp>commercial</gasp> X server...

You should still try the patch there and see if that solves your problem. The bug affecting xorg+xinerama (which will be released w/ the next xorg release) affected Tcl/Tk applications (fontforge in my case; I don't use emacs), and not just QT. So that thread's title is a misnomer.p

In fact, an Ubuntu bug reporter reported that emacs23-gtk was crashing his xorg-server in this post (same bug discussion, but from Ubuntu): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+sour … omments/36. In post #85 there, one person reported fixing his Emacs problems with the patch. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+sour … mments=all (I mentioned this Ubuntu thread in my post from the Arch thread mentioned above...)

Always always always read a thread fully before dismissing it entirely.

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squeegee · 2010-11-30 21:28:46

Always always always read a thread fully before dismissing it entirely.

Lesson learned. 1.9.2 installed and working, unbelievable. I read that topic like 3 or 4 times - er, make that scanned - and missed it every time. Thanks for the push, this now can be marked solved.

listdata · 2010-12-01 02:53:47

squeegee wrote:

Always always always read a thread fully before dismissing it entirely.
Lesson learned. 1.9.2 installed and working, unbelievable. I read that topic like 3 or 4 times - er, make that scanned - and missed it every time. Thanks for the push, this now can be marked solved.

IIRC you can edit the thread title as SOLVED yourself, squeegee.

Glad you got it fixed.

Last edited by listdata (2010-12-01 02:57:31)

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#1 2010-11-26 07:29:15

[SOLVED] xorg-server 1.9.x causes crashes on clicks

#2 2010-11-26 16:09:11

Re: [SOLVED] xorg-server 1.9.x causes crashes on clicks

#3 2010-11-27 02:16:45

Re: [SOLVED] xorg-server 1.9.x causes crashes on clicks

#4 2010-11-27 03:35:52

Re: [SOLVED] xorg-server 1.9.x causes crashes on clicks

#5 2010-11-27 11:14:07

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#6 2010-11-27 11:16:45

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#7 2010-11-30 18:32:49

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#8 2010-11-30 21:28:46

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