I just converted to Arch (from Gentoo) and ....

mdv · 2005-04-09 21:24:34

... well, the installation was damn fast. Compili... Installing the software likewise. Almost everything works smoothly, but arch linux lacks:

#multiple package versions (apache, apache2),
#packages compiled with less features which does not have many dependencies (at gentoo I build with mainly -flags)
#abuse at forums

I've been using your distro for 3 hours, so this is it, for now.

cactus · 2005-04-09 21:53:40

mdv wrote:

#multiple package versions (apache, apache2)

It works, but you have to build it yourself using ABS (the ArchBuildSystem)

#packages compiled with less features which does not have many dependencies (at gentoo I build with mainly -flags)

Again, if you have special requirements, you can build packages yourself to reduce dependencies. There is also srcpac, a wrapper for pacman that you can define certain rules with, and it will autobuild from abs when updates are detected.

#abuse at forums

8)

Stinky · 2005-04-09 21:55:02

Welcome to the community. Hope you stick around.

arooaroo · 2005-04-09 22:10:36

mdv wrote:

#multiple package versions (apache, apache2),

The approach as I've seen is to keep most packages upto date. However, all pkgbuild files can be grabbed from the cvs server. So, for apache http://cvs.archlinux.org/cgi-bin/viewcv … e/PKGBUILD shows all the revisions of the apache package. Grab the one you want and build it

Of course, if you're new to Arch, then you probably haven't had chance to get to grips with the Arch Build System (ABS). The AL wiki is very forthcoming on this subject

mdv wrote:

#packages compiled with less features which does not have many dependencies (at gentoo I build with mainly -flags)

Again, because AL is a binary distribution, it tries to keep everyone satisfied. It's obvious that you can't satisfy everyone. However, you're not bound to the official package. You can customise the pkgbuild that the devs used to build the 'official' package and tailor it to your needs.

mdv wrote:

#abuse at forums

Well, it's certainly been a little heated during the past couple of weeks but it's quickly settled down, thankfully. Having said that, I dare say that the forums for every linux distro can get pretty messy from time to time. I certainly recall from my time with Gentoo that the forums were rather prone to flaming.

mdv wrote:

I've been using your distro for 3 hours, so this is it, for now.

Feel free to give constructive criticism. Just be aware that there is a thing called The Arch Way which sort of explains the philosophy of the distro.

I'm sure you'll be using AL for a long time

mdv · 2005-04-09 22:39:06

Ok. Thanks for pointing out ABS. I'am now building my own packages with no unneeded deps. Preety simple, eh?

I think I'll stick around, I got really tired with gentoo, but I can't see any other nice distro apart from arch.

neotuli · 2005-04-09 23:30:41

And don't forget to get creative with ABS and if there are packages not in the official repos, but you use and think others might use. Please feel free to contribute them to the upcoming AUR system, which will be a community-based repository of PKGBUILDs.
Enjoy you're time with Arch!

mdv · 2005-04-09 23:44:16

It occured to me, that it lacks dependency trees in pacman. It would be much easier to decide if I need to build my own package (minimal package).

It would be also nice to have the possibility of seeing the dependency tree of all installed packages.

T-Dawg · 2005-04-10 02:13:46

mdv wrote:

It would be also nice to have the possibility of seeing the dependency tree of all installed packages.

http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?t=10283

miqorz · 2005-04-10 06:49:07

mdv wrote:

#abuse at forums

That would be my job.

iphitus · 2005-04-10 10:29:19

miqorz wrote:

mdv wrote:
#abuse at forums
That would be my job.

I was about to warn him... Ignore miqorz and klapmuetz

mdv · 2005-04-10 12:11:29

miqorz wrote:

mdv wrote:
#abuse at forums
That would be my job.

Nice avatar as for an abusive gentleman.

T-Dawg · 2005-04-10 13:19:46

Nice avatar as for an abusive gentleman.

What is that thing anyways?

mdv · 2005-04-10 14:27:29

Penguin wrote:

Nice avatar as for an abusive gentleman.
What is that thing anyways?

Avatar? It's the picture below the nick.

i3839 · 2005-04-10 14:28:43

I think he meant the angry looking orange blob...

T-Dawg · 2005-04-10 14:50:56

i3839 wrote:

I think he meant the angry looking orange blob...

I thought it was an orange blob too. Then I looked at it again and thought it looked like a dried-up, mutant, crispy autumn leaf..

klapmuetz · 2005-04-10 14:52:47

iphitus wrote:

miqorz wrote:
mdv wrote:
#abuse at forums
That would be my job.
I was about to warn him... Ignore miqorz and klapmuetz

I win. Look at my postcount and I'm already flamer of the month (or something)!

/me does the hula hula dance.

I mean: Welcome to arch, enjoy your stay.

neotuli · 2005-04-10 15:38:25

I win. Look at my postcount and I'm already flamer of the month (or something)!

/me throws water before things get too hot
Oh and what a gigantic post count because of all those flames...wow

mdv · 2005-04-11 16:02:32

Penguin wrote:

i3839 wrote:
I think he meant the angry looking orange blob...
I thought it was an orange blob too. Then I looked at it again and thought it looked like a dried-up, mutant, crispy autumn leaf..

No, it is 100% positive mutant crispy blob (it is a little bit shaped like an arch though).

phrakture · 2005-04-11 16:24:12

It's from Aqua Teen Hunger Force on adultswim... some random alien on a show that has the greatest character ever created (Carl!)

cactus · 2005-04-11 17:22:00

It is one of the plutonians.
Oglethorpe I think. Emory is the other one.

Kern · 2005-04-11 21:00:41

you mean its a cartoon?

Bummer

All this time i thought it was miqorz caricature

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