About due for a new ISO?

Democrab · 2011-06-15 18:00:57

sand_man wrote:

CPUnltd wrote:
thing is, for those who have limited bandwidth (which is still most of the planet) an updated iso eliminates them having to download so much if they install multiple times or bork their system and need to start from scratch again... Of course, the side option is mirroring the repo locally and updating once or twice a month... but again, that is a big bandwidth hog... That was my primary reason for asking the question...
This argument is silly. If you use Arch then you shouldn't be that worried about bandwith.
Besides, even if there was a new ISO, it would only take a few weeks (days?) for the packages to become obsolete anyway!

Not really, I have a data cap but I get Arch updates and official ISOs on my unmetered content, considering neither of my main computers WiFi adapters are supported properly on 2010.05 (One needs kernel 2.6.34, the other 2.6.37-4 or something off the top of my head), I would be very happy to have a new official ISO.

Although, it doesn't matter much as I can just plug my ethernet cable in anyway, but my point is small data caps =/= being unable to use Arch due to long downloads, the only problem I have is being forced to eat up a bit of my cap downloading Archboot so I can actually just use WiFi and not have to lug either full tower over to my modem on the other side of the house.

punkrockguy318 · 2011-06-30 03:56:19

Is there a rough ETA of when the next image might be pushed out?

It would be nice to have an image that will just have the new rc.conf freshly installed

not a huge deal but i tend to deploy arch a lot

karol · 2011-06-30 11:28:30

punkrockguy318 wrote:

Is there a rough ETA of when the next image might be pushed out?
It would be nice to have an image that will just have the new rc.conf freshly installed
not a huge deal but i tend to deploy arch a lot

You can try and create your own iso.

Allan · 2011-06-30 12:27:50

punkrockguy318 wrote:

Is there a rough ETA of when the next image might be pushed out?
It would be nice to have an image that will just have the new rc.conf freshly installed

Use these: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=119203

GI Jack · 2011-07-14 16:02:55

+1, the kernel in the current iso doesn't recognize my netbook's wired OR wireless ethernet card, although both drivers have been mainlined for quite some time.

MetalheadGautham · 2011-07-19 07:55:43

Well IMO another reason to get a new ISO soon is the list of changes that have taken place since the last release. Its HUGE, and I'm only referring to the configuration changes. Like modules in /etc/rc.conf have a different way of blacklisting, and dropping of tcp_wrappers support and so on and finally GRUB2.

I understand that most of these changes can be made from a normal install. But a newbies installer guide which includes the changes that need to be done to the 2010.05 install will be a welcome addition to the wiki. This alone would go a long way into helping fresh users not yet familiar with the way arch works. Personally it was much easier for me to install arch 2 years back on my desktop (when the installer had the most recent updates and instructions) than follow the instructions on the 2010.05 CD for installation on my laptop.

MatejLach · 2011-07-27 11:54:46

Good to know that new ISO images are in the works.
And for those wondering why we need one, I came up with my top 3 reasons :-)

- 20 years of Linux and new 3.0 kernel.
- Almost (!) 10 years of Arch Linux!
- Marketing reasons, (for example there would be some info about new ISO on DistroWatch - this could made some people aware of Arch...).

Thanks again Arch Team!

Awebb · 2011-07-27 12:37:33

MatejLach wrote:

- Marketing reasons, (for example there would be some info about new ISO on DistroWatch - this could made some people aware of Arch...).

I thought you were looking for reasons pro-new-image? :-D

karol · 2011-07-27 12:40:45

MatejLach wrote:

- Marketing reasons, (for example there would be some info about new ISO on DistroWatch - this could made some people aware of Arch...).

As Arch is already in top ten on DW, people who are still "not aware" of Arch wouldn't benefit from the new ISO, because they don't care ;P

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MatejLach · 2011-07-27 19:53:04

karol wrote:

MatejLach wrote:
- Marketing reasons, (for example there would be some info about new ISO on DistroWatch - this could made some people aware of Arch...).
As Arch is already in top ten on DW, people who are still "not aware" of Arch wouldn't benefit from the new ISO, because they don't care ;P

Well, Yes - but most people, (Yes, I asked some), are looking at this page of DW - when they are looking for new distro, (because it contains major distros which are likely to have active dev., images and description) - so they can pick up they new distro easily and I just cannot seem to be able to find Arch there.

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karol · 2011-07-27 19:56:12

That page you linked to doesn't change much, what exactly does it have to do with "new distros"?

Inxsible · 2011-07-27 20:07:34

That page does provide Arch Linux as an "alternative with similar philosophies" in the Slackware section

MatejLach · 2011-07-27 20:16:01

Inxsible wrote:

That page does provide Arch Linux as an "alternative with similar philosophies" in the Slackware section

You are right, but it is not visible - you know - most people are looking just at the main distros listed there.

karol · 2011-07-27 20:18:16

MatejLach wrote:

Inxsible wrote:
That page does provide Arch Linux as an "alternative with similar philosophies" in the Slackware section
You are right, but it is not visible - you know - most people are looking just at the main distros listed there.

OK, but I still don't see how a new ISO would help.

Unless it provided a fancy graphical installer and automisconfiguration ;P

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MatejLach · 2011-07-27 20:18:26

karol wrote:

That page you linked to doesn't change much, what exactly does it have to do with "new distros"?

Sorry, did not get you question - what do you mean?
(Sry: I am tired :-)

karol · 2011-07-27 20:19:33

MatejLach wrote:

karol wrote:
That page you linked to doesn't change much, what exactly does it have to do with "new distros"?
Sorry, did not get you question - what do you mean?
(Sry: I am tired :-)

I meant that no distro will get on that page just by shipping a new iso.

MatejLach · 2011-07-27 20:20:57

karol wrote:

MatejLach wrote:
Inxsible wrote:
That page does provide Arch Linux as an "alternative with similar philosophies" in the Slackware section
You are right, but it is not visible - you know - most people are looking just at the main distros listed there.
OK, but I still don't see how a new ISO would help.
Unless it provided a fancy graphical installer and automisconfiguration ;P

No, the new ISO will help in a way that there will be a short news story about it at DW and it will draw DW visitors who are checking for new distros to Arch as it will be on the main page.
Hope I explained myself.

MatejLach · 2011-07-27 20:23:35

karol wrote:

MatejLach wrote:
karol wrote:
That page you linked to doesn't change much, what exactly does it have to do with "new distros"?
Sorry, did not get you question - what do you mean?
(Sry: I am tired :-)
I meant that no distro will get on that page just by shipping a new iso.

Well, can you have a short look at DW main page?
There are short news about new distro releases and will be about arch, because the new ISO will be considered as new release as far as I can tell.

karol · 2011-07-27 20:30:10

MatejLach wrote:

karol wrote:
I meant that no distro will get on that page just by shipping a new iso.
Well, can you have a short look at DW main page?
There are short news about new distro releases and will be about arch, because the new ISO will be considered as new release as far as I can tell.

I was referring to the major distros page you mentioned.
And we already are on the main page, as the 6th most popular distro (based on Page Hits) in the last 6 months.
Even if we ship a new ISO, we would drop out of the front page pretty quickly, as the are tons of new releases every month.

If someone doesn't come here because they never heard of Arch, thats their problem.

Of course, you can help with testing the new isos and submitting feedback.

MatejLach · 2011-07-27 21:13:04

karol wrote:

MatejLach wrote:
karol wrote:
I meant that no distro will get on that page just by shipping a new iso.
Well, can you have a short look at DW main page?
There are short news about new distro releases and will be about arch, because the new ISO will be considered as new release as far as I can tell.
Even if we ship a new ISO, we would drop out of the front page pretty quickly, as the are tons of new releases every month.
Of course, you can help with testing the new isos and submitting feedback.

I take your point.
Of course I will test new ISOs but only after one with Kernel 3.0 will be in test as I will need that kernel durning install.

P.S. I am a bit amazed and probably a bit "stressed" about all the reactions that my "top 3 reasons..." receives.
I meant my post as a bit of a funny way to support the new ISOs idea started here and just because the last reason was not very good, (non of them was, that was the point of the post anyway...) I was being sort of "attacked" here for the last reason.
Well, I don't think this is "The Arch Way" of discussion.

P.S.2.
Please keep in mint that this is a bit ironic post and I am glad that someone responded to my "top 3 reasons" post :-) - Because I choosed Arch for its community, (Well not the only reason, but still..).

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scjet · 2011-07-27 22:57:10

pacman -Syu
packer -Syyu

that'll take care of those "itchy" need a new iso's, even though this ain't Ubuntu, and mostly becuase this is Rolling,..., forever.

xiaq · 2011-07-28 09:55:22

I think we can change the title to "Please help testing the releng ISO builds!"

falconindy · 2011-07-28 13:40:59

scjet wrote:

pacman -Syu
packer -Syyu
that'll take care of those "itchy" need a new iso's, even though this ain't Ubuntu, and mostly becuase this is Rolling,..., forever.

You've completely missed the point -- we're quickly approaching an awkward phase where the current ISOs will not be able to install without user intervention because of changes made to initscripts and the renaming of kernel26 to linux. We depend on certain hard coded naming conventions to generate and edit config files in AIF.

This is a rolling release, yes, but that also means that things change and we need to keep up on the installer side.

xiaq wrote:

I think we can change the title to "Please help testing the releng ISO builds!"

Agreed. Though I'll forewarn folks that aufs2 on 2.6.39 has not been stable in my experience. That said, we can't afford to wait for overlayfs which will be appearing in linux 3.1.

xiaq · 2011-07-28 14:19:31

falconindy wrote:

Agreed. Though I'll forewarn folks that aufs2 on 2.6.39 has not been stable in my experience. That said, we can't afford to wait for overlayfs which will be appearing in linux 3.1.

Talking about Linux 3... I consider it a huge pro on releasing a new ISO, due to 1) changes in kernel package 2) that would sound very cool!

MatejLach · 2011-07-28 20:14:51

To falconindy and xiaq:

Yes! This was my original point, (Linux 3.0) and I think people completly missed that and started talking about irrelevant stuff, (I know I helped them by replying:-) - but THANK YOU guys for bringing the discussion back to track.

I think that I cannot express myself in english very well yet, (it is just 3 years since I started learning it), so sometimes people did not get my main point, (so I think I should not visit various discussions just yet... :-).

PS to scjet: Maybe I get it wrong but from you thing saying that "this ain't Ubuntu" I get something like that because of my noob posts sometimes I should go back to Ubuntu, where you surely assuming I was starting with Linux, because every noob that starts with Linux is using Ubuntu. - Maybe I get your message wrong and if I AM VERY SORRY, but I just want to made myself very clear that I just absolutelly hate Ubuntu - other Linuxers around me are using it - but I HATE IT. The fact that it is not rolling, it is backuped by large cooperation, it is buggy, it is not KISS and a lot more.

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