spec/standard for shift-insert?

Dieter@be · 2011-09-21 12:09:10

is there a spec/standard that dictates what shoud happen when you press shift-insert?
I notice some applications paste from primary selection buffer, others from clipboard.

examples:
* primary: urxvt, firefox
* clipboard: luakit, eclipse, chromium

(see also http://luakit.org/issues/121 )

thisoldman · 2011-09-24 01:29:23

freedesktop.org has an "X clipboard explanation."

As text – http://standards.freedesktop.org/clipbo … ds-0.1.txt
As wiki – http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifi … boardsWiki

They provide it with this caveat:

X clipboard explanation is not a formal specification, but explains our consensus on how the X clipboard works. Qt and GTK+ both follow this document.

lolilolicon · 2011-09-24 03:58:16

Dieter@be wrote:

examples:
* primary: urxvt, firefox
* clipboard: luakit, eclipse, chromium

Shift-Insert in Firefox by default pastes CLIPBOARD for me. However, with Vimperator it does paste PRIMARY selection.

The spec posted by thisoldman does not say anything about Shift-Insert. Quoting the spec:

The correct behavior can be summarized as follows: CLIPBOARD works just like the clipboard on Mac or Windows; it only changes on explicit cut/copy. PRIMARY is an "easter egg" for expert users, regular users can just ignore it; it's normally pastable only via middle-mouse-click.
<snip>
explicit paste commands should paste CLIPBOARD, not PRIMARY

Can Shift-Insert be considered as an "explicit paste command" like Ctrl-v? I don't think so.
Is Shift-Insert supposed to paste CLIPBOARD on Mac / Windows? If so, maybe applications like Firefox will attempt to stay "consistent" across all platforms, which can be a strong argument... But then Shift-Insert is just a duplicate of Ctrl-v -- how stupid!

My personal preference is to have Shift-Insert to always paste PRIMARY, since middle-mouse-click sucks!

Last edited by lolilolicon (2011-09-24 04:02:01)

Dieter@be · 2011-09-25 09:56:01

lolilolicon wrote:

Dieter@be wrote:
examples:
* primary: urxvt, firefox
* clipboard: luakit, eclipse, chromium
Shift-Insert in Firefox by default pastes CLIPBOARD for me. However, with Vimperator it does paste PRIMARY selection.
The spec posted by thisoldman does not say anything about Shift-Insert. Quoting the spec:
The correct behavior can be summarized as follows: CLIPBOARD works just like the clipboard on Mac or Windows; it only changes on explicit cut/copy. PRIMARY is an "easter egg" for expert users, regular users can just ignore it; it's normally pastable only via middle-mouse-click.
<snip>
explicit paste commands should paste CLIPBOARD, not PRIMARY
Can Shift-Insert be considered as an "explicit paste command" like Ctrl-v? I don't think so.
Is Shift-Insert supposed to paste CLIPBOARD on Mac / Windows? If so, maybe applications like Firefox will attempt to stay "consistent" across all platforms, which can be a strong argument... But then Shift-Insert is just a duplicate of Ctrl-v -- how stupid!
My personal preference is to have Shift-Insert to always paste PRIMARY, since middle-mouse-click sucks!

I agree with everything you said. I'm also using vimperator btw, probably that explains.
giving shift-insert the same functionality as ctrl-v would make it utterly pointless. Clipboard is well defined and has well defined shortcuts, all non-standard things - mouse selection for copy, mouse middle click for paste, and IMHO also shift-insert - should operate on primary.

thisoldman · 2011-09-26 01:23:15

I too, do have to agree, Shift+Insert should paste PRIMARY.

This discussion has made me fix some minor irritations. I put back the old X behavior so that simultaneous left and right mouse clicks are a middle-click. My wheel push button is so stiff, I never knew how far I'd scroll when I pressed it.

I also bound Shift+Insert to always paste the primary selection, using xdotool and xclip. I suppose I could have used xset instead of xclip.

The Openbox binding:

    <!-- paste PRIMARY -->
    <keybind key="S-Insert">
      <action name="Execute">
          <execute>bash -c 'xdotool type --clearmodifiers "$(xclip -o)"'</execute>
      </action>
    </keybind>

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#1 2011-09-21 12:09:10

spec/standard for shift-insert?

#2 2011-09-24 01:29:23

Re: spec/standard for shift-insert?

#3 2011-09-24 03:58:16

Re: spec/standard for shift-insert?

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Re: spec/standard for shift-insert?

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