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IceRAM

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From: Bucharest, Romania

Registered: 2004-03-04

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Re: KDE / gnome hang while starting

Are you sure you're loading the right modules/right module options for eth0?

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nightfrost

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From: Sweden

Registered: 2005-04-16

Posts: 647

Re: KDE / gnome hang while starting

absolutely positive.

I've noticed that if I use /etc/rc.d/ifplugd, the problem will definitely be there. If I use /etc/rc.d/network or dhcpcd manually, the problem will sometimes be there. Right now it's working fine, so I'm not intending to reboot in a long time. (Good thing I got both swsusp2 and suspend-to-ram working )...

Thanks though.

Kin

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From: Oberfranken / Europe

Registered: 2004-01-23

Posts: 137

Re: KDE / gnome hang while starting

Hi,

in my case, I dhcpcd myself manually, hostname is also setup.
The problem s, that everything worked well, there was no problem with kde or gnome. Everything worked well.
I remember that I was surfing the internet with firefox. Suddenly it hanged, I killed the xserver CTRL + ALT + DEL and did a startx.

Then it hanged at "initializing system services" It didn't go further.
When I now changed to the console where I "startx" I could read that message:"

xset: bad font path element (#63), possible causes are:
Directory does not exist or has wrong permissions
Directory missing fonts.dir
Incorrect font server address or syntax "

Well, this has something to to with fonts.
I always install the ttf-ms-fonts. I used the refresh script which can be found within the archlinux forum, but it didn't help.

What seems zo be quite funny was, that when I   startx with exec startkde, killed the xserver at the "initializing system services" state and then started xfce or enlightenment, after some minutes the whole kde stuff loaded afterwards.
Try to imagine a xfce or enightenment, where suddenly popups a kmenu (which is working btw)

Well I now reinstalled archlinux again for the x-th time and it seems to run,
except firefox. When I tried to download something within it, it hanged.
Could anyone verify this ?

Kin

Kin

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From: Oberfranken / Europe

Registered: 2004-01-23

Posts: 137

Re: KDE / gnome hang while starting

Well, I just compiled a new kernel.
I took the PKGBUILD of kernel26 in abs and  changed the options within ACPI to MODULES when available. I had the problem that within KDE control panel , energie settings, all ACPI options were greyed out and hoped that ot belongs to those modules.

The next setting I changed was the cpu type from PentiumPro to Centrino

Well, I booted and started KDE = It hanged :!:

I didn change anything else, so I tried to boot with the standard kernel.

I started KDE = It started

Back to my kernel = hanged

back to normal kerenl = it runs

So, this sounds really strange, so could anyone verify this ?

Kin

tpowa

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From: Lauingen , Germany

Registered: 2004-04-05

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Re: KDE / gnome hang while starting

kin do you run acpid? you need this for kde to recognize acpi services.

nightfrost

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From: Sweden

Registered: 2005-04-16

Posts: 647

Re: KDE / gnome hang while starting

What seems zo be quite funny was, that when I startx with exec startkde, killed the xserver at the "initializing system services" state and then started xfce or enlightenment, after some minutes the whole kde stuff loaded afterwards. 

Yes! Yes! This is exactly what I had! Exactly - that was so weird! OK; so we did have the exact same problem. Try this and tell me if it worked:

First turn off all your network devices in rc.conf, and turn off network and ifplugd, and see if it works. If it does, try to one by one turn on network devices, etc. Don't turn ifplugd whatever you do. The last thing you should turn is network.

This might not be much of a help, but everything here seems to be fine and that's what I did. Also, a weird thing; if hostname is not set in /etc/hosts, KDE does not seem to be affected. I verified this. And Gnome, clearly warns you before it starts and tells you to fix it.

Last thing: I tried various kernels, but that definitely didn't change a thing.

Post back what happens. I'm very curious about this problem.

iphitus

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From: Melbourne, Australia

Registered: 2004-10-09

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Re: KDE / gnome hang while starting

Make sure loopback is still set in rc.conf.

nightfrost

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From: Sweden

Registered: 2005-04-16

Posts: 647

Re: KDE / gnome hang while starting

I turned that off as well when I started... and KDE started  :?

Kin

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From: Oberfranken / Europe

Registered: 2004-01-23

Posts: 137

Re: KDE / gnome hang while starting

Well, acpid is running.
I reinstalled archlinux, so I can´t test your suggestions now...

robot5x

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Registered: 2004-01-26

Posts: 266

Re: KDE / gnome hang while starting

Hi all -
sorry to jump in here, but I'm getting exactly the same problems.
Fresh installs, pacman -Syu, pacman -Sy kde - kde starts then hangs at 'initialising services'. Error log gives the following :

X Window System Version 6.8.2
Release Date: 9 February 2005
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.8.2
Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.10-ARCH i686 [ELF] 
Current Operating System: Linux myhost 2.6.11.10-ARCH #1 SMP Mon May 16 14:58:59
 PDT 2005 i686
Build Date: 16 February 2005
        Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.X.Org
        to make sure that you have the latest version.
Module Loader present
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
        (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
        (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.

(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Sun Jun 19 19:58:48 2005
(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
xset:  bad font path element (#88), possible causes are:
    Directory does not exist or has wrong permissions
    Directory missing fonts.dir
    Incorrect font server address or syntax
startkde: Starting up...

before hanging. If I start up fluxbox after issuing a SIGHUP, then kde usually starts about 5 minutes later in a window, as the others have described.

I tried some xset settings as per the error - I can add and remove font paths with xset fp+, but when I do this with the CID or local font dirs it gives the above 'xset:bad font path element' error. The structure of these files is correct in terms of having fonts.dir etc present, as well as correct permissions.
I can use nvidia driver pefectly under fluxbox so this doesn't seem to be an issue.
No idea what's going on, would appreciate any suggestions.
Thanks.

robot5x

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Registered: 2004-01-26

Posts: 266

Re: KDE / gnome hang while starting

I managed to get kde started, but only by commenting out lo in rc.conf, and stopping network.
Noones posted here for a while, so does this mean the problem has been solved for others?? I have no special hardware or settings, and this is a fresh install so it really should just work.
If I can't use kde I can't use arch, and I really want to use arch!

big_gie

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Registered: 2005-01-19

Posts: 637

Re: KDE / gnome hang while starting

I had the same problem (reported here). What I've found is that kde needs the lo interface to be up. Since I was using wlan0, I tough I didn't need the network daemon.

I've put back the network daemon and everything is ok now for me.

Here is my rc.conf:

#
# /etc/rc.conf - Main Configuration for Arch Linux
#

#
# Localization
#
# HARDWARECLOCK: set to "UTC" or "localtime"
# TIMEZONE: timezones are found in /usr/share/zoneinfo
# KEYMAP: keymaps are found in /usr/share/kbd/keymaps
# CONSOLEFONT: fount in /usr/share/kbd/consolefonts (only needed for non-us)
# USECOLOR: use ANSI color sequences in startup messages
#
HARDWARECLOCK="UTC"
TIMEZONE=Canada/Eastern
#KEYMAP=cf
KEYMAP="cf.map.gz"
CONSOLEFONT=default8x16.psfu.gz
USECOLOR="yes"


# Scan for LVM volume groups at startup, required if you use LVM
USELVM="no"

#
# Networking
#
HOSTNAME="di8500"

#
# Module to load at boot-up (in this order)
#   (prefix a module with a ! to disable it)
#
MODULES=(!usbserial !ide-scsi acpi_cpufreq ndiswrapper)

#
# Gensplash
# VERBOSEONFAIL: drop to verbose splash on rc fail events.
# Please note - splash ALWAYS drops to verbose if fs check fails
#
VERBOSEONFAIL="yes"

#
# Interfaces to start at boot-up (in this order)
# Declare each interface then list in INTERFACES
#   (prefix an interface in INTERFACES with a ! to disable it)
#
# Note: to use DHCP, set your interface to be "dhcp" (eth0="dhcp")
#
lo="lo 127.0.0.1"
#eth0="dhcp"
INTERFACES=(lo !eth0)

#
# Routes to start at boot-up (in this order)
# Declare each route then list in ROUTES
#   (prefix a route in ROUTES with a ! to disable it)
#
gateway="default gw 192.168.1.1"
ROUTES=(!gateway)

#
# Daemons to start at boot-up (in this order)
#   (prefix a daemon with a ! to disable it)
#
DAEMONS=(syslog-ng hotplug !pcmcia @network @wireless !netfs 
         crond gensplash xlayout freepopsd alsa 
         !portmap !fam dbus hal)

WIRELESS_PROFILES=(maison)

# End of file

sven

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Registered: 2005-02-01

Posts: 311

Re: KDE / gnome hang while starting

big_gie, big thanks for the tip! I spent some hours already with KDE not starting up and lo was not up.