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#1 2005-06-11 11:46:22

tpowa
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From: Lauingen , Germany
Registered: 2004-04-05
Posts: 2,324

KDE kwin crash on startup

Hi KDE users,
some of you out there seem to have problems on KDE startup, this thread is to collect info about this specific issue.
Here is my setup that works:
glibc-2.3.4-2
qt 3.3.4-8
normal kde packages
standard kde options
no xcompmgr
bash as shell
using kdm as login manager
using standard arch kernel26
md5sums of packages:
e3ca920943382e740eddaa42a31121d9  qt-3.3.4-8.pkg.tar.gz
f21780c4cc4daa653134013934de1b03  kdelibs-3.4.1-1.pkg.tar.gz
448264288b508d7e9c8d6292f67501eb  kdebase-3.4.1-1.pkg.tar.gz
d56cbbb399db792284e217368090a7b6  glibc-2.3.4-2.pkg.tar.gz
I have no problems at all, as many other kde users so please help together on that issue.

Now i need to know:
Does this issues arises after update or fresh install?
Does it happen with a clean new user?
Does it happen from startx or kdm?
Are you using special kde extensions?
What shell are you using?
Are you using any package from Testing?
Did you run pacman -Syu before installing KDE?
Did you try to install kde again?
md5sum of qt,kdelibs,kdebase?
Are you using nvidia drivers?
Do you run kcompmgr/xcompmgr?
What kernel are you running?
output from: startx > info 2>&1 ? Please send me the info file
crash output? please send me the crash output
Try recompiling: qt,kdelibs and kdebase from abs and tell me the success.
This thread goes out to: colnago,harald_u,bpiniot,pholie,purkurr,Marko,jw,pointer
The faster you find a solution, the faster it can be fixed!
my time is limited and i don't have the crash( as many others) so please it's up to you to feed me and the others with input, that we can solve the issue.
@ All who think that a longer testing period would be helpfull, i can tell you the answers would be: why should i use testing? i wait for the movement to extra.
Keep in mind i don't want to cause trouble on your pcs, but you should also keep in mind arch is bleeding edge software,i have only limited hardware/time and i'm the only dev that works on kde.

greetings from tpowa
P.S.: Kwin crash on logout has been identified as kde bug, don't report it here!
my mail is tpowa (@) archlinux.org

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#2 2005-06-11 19:54:06

harald_u
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From: Stuttgart/Germany
Registered: 2004-02-16
Posts: 9

Re: KDE kwin crash on startup

Here are my answers:

Does this issues arises after update or fresh install?
* Update
Does it happen with a clean new user?
* Happens with a new user, too
Does it happen from startx or kdm?
* kdm
Are you using special kde extensions?
* I am not aware
What shell are you using?
* bash
Are you using any package from Testing?
* no
Did you run pacman -Syu before installing KDE?
* yes
Did you try to install kde again?
* no
md5sum of qt,kdelibs,kdebase?
* e3ca920943382e740eddaa42a31121d9  qt-3.3.4-8
* f21780c4cc4daa653134013934de1b03  kdelibs-3.4.1-1
* 448264288b508d7e9c8d6292f67501eb  kdebase-3.4.1-1
Are you using nvidia drivers?
* I am using nv from xorg, the later nvidia hang my system
Do you run kcompmgr/xcompmgr?
* No
What kernel are you running?
* luna 2.6.11.7-ARCH
output from: startx > info 2>&1 ? Please send me the info file
crash output? please send me the crash output
* sent
Try recompiling: qt,kdelibs and kdebase from abs and tell me the success.
* Same result, kwin crashes after login

I have no problem with qt-3.3.4-7.
If I run with qt-3.3.4-8 I can restart kwin after it crashes. It seems to stay alive then and I can work ...

Thanks a lot for your efforts!


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Harald

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#3 2005-06-12 00:01:35

soloport
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Registered: 2005-03-01
Posts: 442

Re: KDE kwin crash on startup

No problems upgrading here (on two or boxes and one laptop).

However, I see that Kamera is no longer available.  Where'd it go?  Will it come back?  Easiest digital camera tool there is on Linux and it's gone. sad

Oh, and on one box KDE was very screwy (crashes) after the recent upgrade of Qt.  To resolve things I renamed ~/.kde to ~/.kde.050531 (or some such) and restarted X.  Went through the init setup script (like one gets with new KDE installation), restored just a few things out of the old .kde folder and problems haven't returned.

I don't know what I might have had in .kde that would have been so off base.  I normally run things just as they are, out of the box (don't have much time fo tweaking).

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#4 2005-06-12 16:23:20

harald_u
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From: Stuttgart/Germany
Registered: 2004-02-16
Posts: 9

Re: KDE kwin crash on startup

I did some more testing:

Deleted KDE (pacman -R kde), deleted /opt/kde, reinstalled KDE (pacman -Suy, the pacman -S kde).

Moved my .kde directory out of the way, logged on and let KDE recreate it. The kwin crash after logon is gone (but now I see the one at logout ...)

Moved my old .kde directory back and logged on: the kwin crash at logon is back. So it must be something in my configuration. (I moved back to qt-...-7 and the kwin crash is gone ... at the moment I don't have the time to recreate my configuration).

HTH, Harald

(Sorry, I was away this afternoon and could join IRC ...)


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#5 2005-06-12 19:53:52

tpowa
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From: Lauingen , Germany
Registered: 2004-04-05
Posts: 2,324

Re: KDE kwin crash on startup

ok we are on right road, it seems it's a config issue, not a package issue.
guys please try harald_u description and tell us more about your success in getting rid of the kwin crash. thanks

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#6 2005-06-12 20:24:09

Stinky
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From: The Colony, TX
Registered: 2004-05-28
Posts: 187

Re: KDE kwin crash on startup

Last night, I did a fresh arch install for a customer.  Installed from Arch-0.7-base. 
Did pacman -Syu then rebooted. 
Installed xorg and kde.  Started KDE, no Kwin crash.
Configured grub to dual boot Arch and WinDoze. 
Rebooted several times to test.  No Kwin crash.
Installed Koffice, Mozilla, Evolution, and Openoffice
    ***Kwin crash started happening.***

Using startx
No special KDE extensions.
Bash
No packages from testing.
Did do pacman -Syu before installing KDE.
xorg's nv drivers.
Not using xcompmgr or kcompmgr
Using latest Stock Arch kernel.
No special settings in KDE.  Just went through the wizard the first time user logged in and accepted all defaults.

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#7 2005-06-12 22:41:54

soloport
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Posts: 442

Re: KDE kwin crash on startup

Just had KDE desktop flake out on me, again.  This bug was strange: When I would bring up ANY dropdown menu, it would automatically highlight the bottom-most selection.  If I clicked on any selection, whatsoever, it would pick the last one.

So, I restarted X and then KDE came up with NO window decorations (and something which it tried to start up produced the crash / traceback window -- but I could not determine what it was).

Got to a terminal (Ctrl-Alt-F1) and dropped down into console mode (telinit 3) and re-installed Xorg (pacman -S xorg).  Then I got back into GUI mode (telinit 5).  Now all is just fine.

Can't remember where I read about the re-install Xorg trick, but it was the first thing I thought of (when I got back into KDE the first time and saw it half-working).

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#8 2005-06-13 05:26:46

tpowa
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From: Lauingen , Germany
Registered: 2004-04-05
Posts: 2,324

Re: KDE kwin crash on startup

Stinky try removing koffice or try upgrading it to latest version from testing.
thanks

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#9 2005-06-13 13:47:58

IceRAM
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From: Bucharest, Romania
Registered: 2004-03-04
Posts: 772
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Re: KDE kwin crash on startup

Stinky wrote:

Installed Koffice, Mozilla, Evolution, and Openoffice
    ***Kwin crash started happening.***

I have KOffice && OpenOffice installed and KDE works perfectly.
I don't use Mozilla (but I use Firefox) nor Evolution.
You might want to try uninstalling these last two one at a time.

(I would suspect Evolution to be the problem - is it started automatically by KDE? - maybe Evolution/Mozilla needs a rebuild)

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#10 2005-06-13 13:55:44

Stinky
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From: The Colony, TX
Registered: 2004-05-28
Posts: 187

Re: KDE kwin crash on startup

Evolution is not started automatically by KDE.  However, I'm starting to think Evolution may be causing the crash in some way.  The only box I have that Kwin does NOT crash on is the ONE box that doesn't have Evolution Installed.  Interesting..

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#11 2005-06-13 18:23:01

harald_u
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From: Stuttgart/Germany
Registered: 2004-02-16
Posts: 9

Re: KDE kwin crash on startup

Well, I don't have Evolution installed nor do I use any additional KDE styles/themes ...

I'll try to remove KOffice and Firefox one after another to see if that makes a difference ...


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Harald

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#12 2005-06-13 20:08:59

Pointer
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From: Hannover, Germany
Registered: 2005-01-29
Posts: 39

Re: KDE kwin crash on startup

i removed psi and kde works.
this bug is really crazy hmm


[14:52] [sven@linux ~]$ dmesg
Jabber-ID: sven-schaefer@jabber.ccc.de

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#13 2005-06-13 21:11:51

IceRAM
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From: Bucharest, Romania
Registered: 2004-03-04
Posts: 772
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Re: KDE kwin crash on startup

Psi?

Ups... I'm not the official ArchLinux maintainer for Psi, but I'm part of the Psi team and provide ArchLinux packages (since I use ArchLinux).
I use the development version and I don't have this problem. Most likely, the package in extra needs rebuilding.

Meanwhile, I've rebuilt the application package (only Psi and not qca, qca-tls) using the new Qt. You can find it at http://mircea.bardac.net/psi/ . Try it and check if the problem dissapears.

I am now wondering wether the package maintainers have a notification system to alert them when packages needs rebuilding when dependencies are upgraded (in this case, only a minor upgrade which is very weird IMO).

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#14 2005-06-14 05:37:41

tpowa
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From: Lauingen , Germany
Registered: 2004-04-05
Posts: 2,324

Re: KDE kwin crash on startup

ICERAM: yes it's called bugtracker wink
there you can notify us if rebuilding is needed

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#15 2005-06-14 09:59:34

IceRAM
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From: Bucharest, Romania
Registered: 2004-03-04
Posts: 772
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Re: KDE kwin crash on startup

tpowa wrote:

ICERAM: yes it's called bugtracker wink
there you can notify us if rebuilding is needed

Well, I was thinking more of something like:
The "genius-script":
- oh, look, package <smth> has been upgraged
- pacman -Qi <smth>
- ok, we've got X packages depending on this one, let's rebuild them

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#16 2005-06-14 20:22:55

Pointer
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From: Hannover, Germany
Registered: 2005-01-29
Posts: 39

Re: KDE kwin crash on startup

my system is running 13 hours without an kwin crash. the psi, qca rebuild works smile


[14:52] [sven@linux ~]$ dmesg
Jabber-ID: sven-schaefer@jabber.ccc.de

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#17 2005-06-15 07:04:15

IceRAM
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From: Bucharest, Romania
Registered: 2004-03-04
Posts: 772
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Re: KDE kwin crash on startup

Pointer wrote:

my system is running 13 hours without an kwin crash. the psi, qca rebuild works smile

Note that qca on my site is not rebuilt.
It doesn't have anything to do with UI, since it's only a lib.

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#18 2005-06-16 05:32:41

tpowa
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From: Lauingen , Germany
Registered: 2004-04-05
Posts: 2,324

Re: KDE kwin crash on startup

if you want to use kdebase from testing, please upgrade dbus/hal too.
else just disable testing repo and run again pacman -S kdebase to get -1 version from extra again.

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#19 2005-06-16 08:58:25

IceRAM
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From: Bucharest, Romania
Registered: 2004-03-04
Posts: 772
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Re: KDE kwin crash on startup

Maybe there's more which needs to be recompiled from KDE to work with the new Qt (although a minor change should not affect the apps that much).

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#20 2005-06-17 16:52:47

Pointer
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From: Hannover, Germany
Registered: 2005-01-29
Posts: 39

Re: KDE kwin crash on startup

so the last days everything works great, but now kwin crash again (3x in 2 hours). i changed nothing!


[14:52] [sven@linux ~]$ dmesg
Jabber-ID: sven-schaefer@jabber.ccc.de

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#21 2005-06-17 16:57:11

IceRAM
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From: Bucharest, Romania
Registered: 2004-03-04
Posts: 772
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Re: KDE kwin crash on startup

Anything automated planned to run? Free diskspace?
Crash during a CPU intensive application?

What applications were running?

Doesn't X keep a log with the errors? Maybe you'll get some info from there.

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#22 2005-06-24 20:43:46

deft
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Registered: 2005-03-14
Posts: 79

Re: KDE kwin crash on startup

andreas Schmitzer wrote:

the problems arose  when i upgraded kdebase and kdenetwork to version 3.4.1-2.
the moment i start kde up to 20 windows appear with KDE-crash-messages. shutting down my kde many messages like "could not connect to kdeinit" are seen on console window.

Yep - just to confirm - I've got exactly the same problem on one of my systems - I've been running kdebase 3.4.1 fine for a while - however, after just upgrading to 3.4.1-2 today, I'm getting about 15 KDE crash messages just as the desktop loads up.

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#23 2005-06-25 08:09:21

JGC
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Re: KDE kwin crash on startup

This has been reported in the bugtracker before. It seems that whenever you upgrade something in KDE, the processes that are running are in conflict with whatever program you start after that. A reboot seems to help.

I can't reproduce this problem with any version of KDE, I've been running -2 right after packaging, it never failed on me. Here at linuxtag we cannot reproduce it at all, on none of our laptops.

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#24 2005-06-25 12:30:01

Bralkein
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Registered: 2004-10-26
Posts: 354

Re: KDE kwin crash on startup

I also have a problem with kded crashing at startup. It started happening yesterday (24/06/05), when I upgraded libgsf, raptor, libcdaudio and torrent packages. However, reverting to the older packages in my local cache seems to do nothing to help.

I have a backtrace from the crash, but I don't know what it means. I will provide it here in the hope that someone can get something from it:

[Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled]
[New Thread 1096425664 (LWP 3334)]
[KCrash handler]
#7  0xffffe410 in ?? ()
#8  0xbfdc5a7c in ?? ()
#9  0x00000006 in ?? ()
#10 0x00000d06 in ?? ()
#11 0x4145d3c1 in raise () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6
#12 0x4145eb59 in abort () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6
#13 0x41b69717 in _dbus_abort () from /usr/lib/libdbus-1.so.1
#14 0x41b5f128 in _dbus_real_assert () from /usr/lib/libdbus-1.so.1
#15 0x41b38a9c in send_no_return_values () from /usr/lib/libdbus-1.so.1
#16 0x41b38d30 in dbus_bus_remove_match () from /usr/lib/libdbus-1.so.1
#17 0x41ac1d63 in libhal_ctx_shutdown () from /usr/lib/libhal.so.1
#18 0x41a93033 in HALBackend::~HALBackend ()
   from /opt/kde/lib/kde3/kded_mediamanager.so
#19 0x41a8e29d in MediaManager::loadBackends ()
   from /opt/kde/lib/kde3/kded_mediamanager.so
#20 0x41a8e35f in MediaManager::qt_invoke ()
   from /opt/kde/lib/kde3/kded_mediamanager.so
#21 0x40bad7e4 in QObject::activate_signal () from /opt/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#22 0x40f030ed in QSignal::signal () from /opt/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#23 0x40bc81f1 in QSignal::activate () from /opt/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#24 0x40bcfcf3 in QSingleShotTimer::event () from /opt/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#25 0x40b49d8f in QApplication::internalNotify ()
   from /opt/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#26 0x40b49f82 in QApplication::notify () from /opt/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#27 0x407b4495 in KApplication::notify () from /opt/kde/lib/libkdecore.so.4
#28 0x40b3d3dc in QEventLoop::activateTimers () from /opt/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#29 0x40af57a2 in QEventLoop::processEvents () from /opt/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#30 0x40b60461 in QEventLoop::enterLoop () from /opt/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#31 0x40b603b6 in QEventLoop::exec () from /opt/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#32 0x40b48eff in QApplication::exec () from /opt/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#33 0x416332d0 in kdemain () from /opt/kde/lib/libkdeinit_kded.so
#34 0x0804dcf1 in ?? ()
#35 0x00000001 in ?? ()
#36 0x0805dff8 in ?? ()
#37 0x00000001 in ?? ()
#38 0x00000000 in ?? ()
#39 0x00000000 in ?? ()
#40 0x00000000 in ?? ()
#41 0xbfdc6748 in ?? ()
#42 0x4080b25c in calloc () from /opt/kde/lib/libkdecore.so.4
#43 0x0804f769 in ?? ()
#44 0x00000000 in ?? ()
#45 0x00000000 in ?? ()
#46 0x00000000 in ?? ()
#47 0x00000000 in ?? ()
#48 0x00000000 in ?? ()
#49 0x00000000 in ?? ()
#50 0x08050543 in _IO_stdin_used ()
#51 0xbfdc68f4 in ?? ()
#52 0x414e681e in sbrk () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6
#53 0x4144a19d in __libc_start_main () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6
#54 0x0804b1b1 in ?? ()

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#25 2005-06-25 15:55:57

Mith
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Registered: 2004-10-05
Posts: 163

Re: KDE kwin crash on startup

I updated kdebase yesterday and since then every time I reboot and kde starts I get that "kded" crash message.. like 10 times it crashes
Unfortunately I have no backtrace atm


ArchLinux (x86_64) w/ kdemod

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