ArchWM-base 0.4.2 - it is what you make it.

rasat · 2005-06-30 06:12:58

This project is resulted from topic:
http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?t=13301

INTRODUCTION

This is an effort of developing a "perfect" Window Manager for Arch Linux. A perfect WM is a base only, doesn't include everyone's liking and preferences but allows users to setup and configure how they want.
http://user-contributions.org/projects/archWMbase/

If this is a "really" workable idea, currently I cannot say. It depends on users' respond and contributions. Lets try!!

From my side, I will provide the repo and a forum at usercb (if needed). The archWMbase repo is already available. To upload your contributions, send me a pm and you get the access.

First thing needed is materials and link to FVWM information sites. Some helpful information is already in the Forums.

Dusty · 2005-06-30 14:37:39

*snort* I'm sure this project will go far...

rasat · 2005-06-30 16:10:52

I am not expecting it to work as it is now. Currently I see the "wagon is front of the horse". The idea is there, fvwm materials can be found, and I am sure few users are willing to help. But first the base has to be created with an easy tool to add the materials (modules, configs, themes, etc).

I already thought about the base, how to start this project: modify current fvwm package to bare minimum, and develop a tool adding the basics as per user's selection (pager, menu, etc.) Fvwm already uses mc as tool, maybe this could be improved.

If someone comes up with a better idea and does it, is great. Otherwise I will work on it end of July.

PS.
Thanks Dusty for moving the unrelated posts.

CyberTron · 2005-06-30 16:54:22

rasat: i think you have a great idea there, I really hope it will develop into something really archlike:D

I will begin looking into fvwm and try to learn how to configure it so I may contribute later on

iphitus · 2005-07-01 01:36:51

let me know when it's tiling support rivals ion's.

codergeek42 · 2005-07-02 03:42:47

So wouldn't this basically be FVWM?

iphitus · 2005-07-02 03:59:34

codergeek42 wrote:

So wouldn't this basically be FVWM?

I think he's getting at preconfigured FVWM modules, that a user can just drag and drop.

I spose I should try something like that with ion3.....

iphitus

rasat · 2005-07-02 04:13:14

rasat wrote:

I already thought about the base, how to start this project: modify current fvwm package to bare minimum, and develop a tool adding the basics as per user's selection (pager, menu, etc.)

I did few hours test, and fvwm is fantastic..... the bare minimum is only one file of 700KB (/usr/bin/fvwm). To not get an minor error, include /usr/share/fvwm/ConfigFvwmDefaults

To do the things we have in mind: allowing to add new functions, decorations, desktop layouts and other configures, fvwm-crystal does the job. Its designed for this very purpose. Ofcoarse some cleanup is required to make it the Arch Way and make few changes to match user contributed configure packages made in easy style. How easy it will be, I am not yet sure.

Now when the work/base was mostly done, a tool to install configure packages (will call it "pacwm"), should not be hard to make. To select additionally installed configures (decorations, layouts, colorsets, etc.) is already included in fvwn-crystal and needs only to add few more selection options (functions and modules).

At this sage, the toolkit will be in Bash and later can be changed to another language when the complexity of selection increases (fonts, plug position, window sizes, etc.)

iphitus · 2005-07-02 07:01:47

If you want.... I can do a ion3 port of this, allowing those who prefer tiling window managers somewhere to go....

Right now, i've resynced the anti-aliased font patch for ion3 to the latest version, and have it compiling, but am still having some problems getting it to work. I've contacted the person who made it, so I hope to hear from him soon.

If anyone's interested in getting it going, patch here:
http://iphitus.loudas.com/ion/xftde-20050625.patch
and an example theme to work with it at the end of this mailing list post.
http://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/ion-g … 00138.html

iphitus

rasat · 2005-07-02 09:29:19

Nice!
If everything is made into modules, then users can select and install. The modules need to be categoriesed to keep track what're available and for the system to find. Currently these are the categories and will be contributed by the users.

- Decorations
- Colorsets
- Desktop-layouts
--- Plugins
--- Modules
--- Images
--- Wallpapers
--- Icons
- Functions
- Locales (language)

The plan, these modules will not be part of the base but installed in user-prefrence directory (user mode), except new functions and upgraded modules for the system. There will be base packages and user packages.

Riklaunim · 2005-07-02 10:59:13

wallpapers, icons & stuff - you can get a lot from kde- / gnome- / xfce- / look.org just pick the best sets of graphics and we have candy

And what about a login manager... XDM ? - XDM looking nice howto (note: the tutorial site seems to be dead now...)

iphitus · 2005-07-02 11:17:00

I think if we do wallpapers, etc, they should be Arch oriented, after all, this is an Arch project.

We could use this to create a much more refined set of Arch art packages.

As for xdm, i've got a whole custom X setup with info sitting in my inbox, waiting to be used....

iphitus

rasat · 2005-07-02 14:00:21

iphitus wrote:

We could use this to create a much more refined set of Arch art packages.

Yes! I am looking forward for beauty and Arch oriented. Anyone can add in their machine they want, but the "official" should maintain a standard of top ranking graphics including non-flashy but nice.

jackmetal · 2005-07-04 03:06:44

Excellent! I was wondering when the Arch way of doing things would bleed into the WM's.. This is great. I look forward to it!

Snowman · 2005-07-07 20:59:35

I am interested too. I was thinking of leaving KDE for XFCE4 but I might give fvwm a shot. From the screenshots I've seen, it seems very configurable. I will look into the docs once I've done configuring my new install.

phrakture · 2005-07-07 21:15:00

iphitus wrote:

As for xdm, i've got a whole custom X setup with info sitting in my inbox, waiting to be used....
iphitus
iphitus

I'd like to see some xdm themes/setups put into the AUR! go ahead iphitus-iphitus (heh)

iphitus · 2005-07-08 01:10:21

Aye aye, cap'n.

rasat · 2005-07-08 04:08:07

Would it be possible to have something like: "xdm - setup and configure how you want".

iphitus · 2005-07-08 04:49:10

rasat wrote:

Would it be possible to have something like: "xdm - setup and configure how you want".

What else do you want?

I'll PM you my bank account details.

I'm playing with the xdm setup now, just working out the best way to go about doing it

rasat · 2005-07-08 05:46:45

End of this month (July) we may then except having Arch-WM/XDM base. And also an open source bank account.

iphitus · 2005-07-08 07:13:02

Fiiiiiiiiiiine! I'll be generous.

http://iphitus.loudas.com/arch/xdm-arch.png

I'll make a package later.

I could also write some sort of theme 'manager' if you wanted, so we could just distribute tar.gz's of a theme, then install them and change easily, all with the theme manager.

iphitus

Legout · 2005-07-08 08:38:23

iphitus wrote:

Fiiiiiiiiiiine! I'll be generous.
http://iphitus.loudas.com/arch/xdm-arch.png
I'll make a package later.

Looks great, nearly as cool as mine

iphitus wrote:

I could also write some sort of theme 'manager' if you wanted, so we could just distribute tar.gz's of a theme, then install them and change easily, all with the theme manager.

What a silly question. :-D Don´t ask, just make it. It would be cool and usefull, chnaging xdm theme´s manually is....:-(

rasat · 2005-07-28 09:43:19

rasat wrote:

.... I will work on it end of July.

Thought getting run out of the time when struggling last few days with the codes of fvwm-crystal. Before developing the base, needed to know what's the minimum of both fvwm and fvwm-crystal. Fvwm was easy but only today found what're minimum files for Crystal. These files, small in number, will be the base of ArchWM, I have in mind.

I will try to get something workable until Sunday (31st).... still in time.

jackmetal · 2005-07-28 11:55:05

So....Has fvwm been decided upon as the base of the ArchWM?

Do they make it ugly as heck initially to scare people off?

I've used it in the past, but have been using fluxbox recently. I'll have to startup my old fvwm setup and start back modifying it. I never did get it looking as good as my flux (though I didn't spend as much time on it either).

Is there a good base theme for fvwm that I could start out with (that looks decent) and tweak from there?

cmp · 2005-07-28 14:58:59

@iphitus I'm really loking forward to your xdm theme, looks very nice

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