Distro Boot-time Comparison(Now With Gentoo results)

grandmouse · 2005-07-12 11:30:00

Why not suspend to ram ?

arooaroo · 2005-07-12 11:45:44

Dusty wrote:

Or the users who have to sleep beside their desktops...

Aww, Dusty, you getting loney in those cold Canadian nights...

phrakture · 2005-07-12 15:24:25

iphitus wrote:

In an ideal world, we'd have no heating issues and electricity would be transmittable, meaning no batteries in range of a transmitter. then make the transmitter wifi enabled, with OC72, or ADSL2.....

Tesla tried that... and it worked, except it launched electricty at his barn and burned it down... oh, and he also made "Tesla's Death Ray" (no joke)

dtw · 2005-07-12 21:44:18

sweiss wrote:

Don't know about you, but I usually don't watch my machine while it boots. I just power it on and go do some other morning tasks in the mean time.

I watch mine cos it has bootiful gensplash No offense to the Archie guys but rensel's darch theme is definitely one of the very best I have ever seen

z4ziggy · 2005-07-12 21:53:52

dibblethewrecker wrote:

...No offense to the Archie guys but rensel's darch theme is definitely one of the very best I have ever seen

just wait to see the new Shadowhand creation

(ps. bootsplash rules 8))

iphitus · 2005-07-13 03:46:26

z4ziggy wrote:

dibblethewrecker wrote:
...No offense to the Archie guys but rensel's darch theme is definitely one of the very best I have ever seen
just wait to see the new Shadowhand creation
(ps. bootsplash rules 8))

http://www.wgilk.com/design/opensource/ … ohfive.png

oops I leaked it.

sepht · 2005-07-13 19:14:29

Gentoo is being a MASSIVE pain.. Im hoping to set it up today/tommorow, maybe friday, wireless drivers were to much of a hassle... I need to now move the box around and wire it .... but I don't think gentoo like this network card, or hte other one I have, or the other.. the only one I know works is in my fileserver box.... :shock:

bah..It's almost not worth it

kcy29581 · 2005-07-13 22:09:24

sepht wrote:

Gentoo is being a MASSIVE pain.. Im hoping to set it up today/tommorow, maybe friday, wireless drivers were to much of a hassle... I need to now move the box around and wire it .... but I don't think gentoo like this network card, or hte other one I have, or the other.. the only one I know works is in my fileserver box.... :shock:
bah..It's almost not worth it

If one network card works on a distro, doesn't it work on them all?...

ozar · 2005-07-13 22:16:56

sepht wrote:

Gentoo is being a MASSIVE pain.. Im hoping to set it up today/tommorow

hehe... I know what you mean! I like Gentoo pretty well, but I decided about a year ago that it's far too time intensive for my needs. I do still reinstall and play with it now and then, but it's highly doubtful that it will ever become my default distro.

Good luck on the comparison charts... 8)

citral · 2005-07-13 22:57:03

I wonder how much difference the notorious initng can make...

phrakture · 2005-07-13 23:03:00

citral wrote:

I wonder how much difference the notorious initng can make...

i bet it'll make it worse (compared to arch) - it will have to detect and calculate dependancies for each service...

arooaroo · 2005-07-13 23:33:09

I still think that my previous comment about installing on different partitions needs to be addressed in order to make this test fairer.

Or at least acknowledge it in your notes. Put some hdparm benchmarks for each partition for example.

phrakture · 2005-07-14 01:02:03

arooaroo wrote:

I still think that my previous comment about installing on different partitions needs to be addressed in order to make this test fairer.
Or at least acknowledge it in your notes. Put some hdparm benchmarks for each partition for example.

Well, I seriously doubt that it's going to add more than 1 second... so if anything it should be safe adding "all times are +/- 2seconds due to partition differences)

sepht · 2005-07-14 01:10:54

Ubuntu was /dev/hda1, swap was /dev/hda2, arch went on hda3, FC3, FC4, Slack all were on 4.

Now its hda1 is arch, hda2 is swap, and gentoo is /dev/hda3
Swap is the same... hda1 is the same.... So Arch and Gentoo will be the same partition for the bootcharting.
I'll throw that in the notes next time I upload

anyways.. shouldn't make a massive difference eitherway.
I can't wait for a test of responsiveness, speed, and even the bootup I'm feeling cheery for.

Gentoo is being nice for now.. I've been reading their directions and wiki for the best cflags that aren't going overboard and "optilimizations"(sic).

I'm going to do everything they and their desktop install guide go through, with a little from the wiki, just to keep it looking "optimized enough." I'm not going to go adding crazy things like -ck, ntpl, and udev unless they mention it specifically. That wouldn't be fair. the arch wiki said to use lshwd, the gentoowiki doesn't specifiy more then using BOTH hotplug and "coldplug" at bootime(their version of lshwd -a I suppose). (yes its a stage1)

Sad part is that that I'm going to have to write like half a page on how I configured gentoo, hopefully it'll be balanced. If gentoo loses, I'll be sure to work extrahard to explain it clearly, ricers don't take to losing after spending a week compiling on a 2ghz P4 with 768mb ram.

EDIT:
I was installing Gentoo today.. and i realized the stage2 step takes 4x as long as the stage1 bootstrap... so I said this in IRC, I just want to note it somewhere:
"watch gentoo build! watch gentoo compile! watch gentoo wor... Oh, wait, no, its compiling again..."

kcy29581 · 2005-07-14 08:39:53

why not a stage3 then?...

iphitus · 2005-07-14 09:10:34

kcy29581 wrote:

why not a stage3 then?...

it's not omg omtomorised.

citral · 2005-07-14 11:33:03

You won't notice a difference between stage 1 and stage 3 for a booting comparison. Hell, even a Gentoo ricer should be able to acknowledge that.

And AFAICR stage3 uses the same compile flags as Arch does.

kcy29581 · 2005-07-14 15:07:08

iphitus wrote:

kcy29581 wrote:
why not a stage3 then?...
it's not omg omtomorised.

oohhh thats low!

Stage 3 is the way to go for a default Gentoo install I guess. The CFLAGS are "normal"...

sepht · 2005-07-14 19:26:36

"optilimilized enough" is the simple reason to do a stage1.
I have another parition free.. maybe I'll do stage3 on that.. won't take 24hours for a basic system(w/o Xorg or anything) this time I hope

This box is up.. still needs massive configing.. users.. wireless.. HAL. dbus, bootchart.. KDE.. Gnome..xorg...

Riklaunim · 2005-07-15 16:11:28

I was using for some time Gentoo from a P3 stage3 (jackass unofficial stage3) and as for booting time - it won't "optimalize" it depends mostly on started services and kernel build method (genkernel/normal). P3, GCC 3.4.3, NPTL and I say that it load in a decent time xFaster than suse but longer than Archie

Seting a gentoo from stage3 is rather easy if you arent a gentoo ricer 8)
Fun: http://funroll-loops.org/

"I essentially started using Gentoo because my ....ing KDE clock would never show the right time in Red Hat."

sepht · 2005-07-16 00:40:18

Gentoo bootchart is up.
http://www.geocities.com/sephiroth230/

cactus · 2005-07-16 00:59:59

wow. I am surprised FC4 boots so fast.

sepht · 2005-07-16 01:10:43

I put FC3 up there because of that. FC3 booted terrible... so FC4 fixed that.
original post of Gentoo had 45, w/ a fixed fstab its 42, Coldplug and no hotplug makes it 42 +/-1, normal hotplug was the fastest at 38 seconds. So sorry for that one..

Riklaunim · 2005-08-01 12:49:44

check this out: http://www.frozentech.com/?p=12 Archie missing

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