Flubox stable/unstable stable/devel mixup?

sepht · 2005-07-09 10:11:17

In Arch there are 2 fluxbox packages
fluxbox-devel in testing
fluxbox in stable

The thing is, fluxbox devel IS stable. Fluxbox's naming needs an update, but stable is listed as "old, unmaintained," its last release was in late 2002.

Fluxbox Devel is listed as (maintained, also stable), basically the numbering system changed between stable and devel, but other then that, devel is the main tree with stable, tested releases every 5-6months. It's something that belongs in stable and should take the place of the fluxbox package.
Their roadmap shows that they abandoned the stable branch in early 2003.

Fluxbox has only been developed since late 2001. Stable stoped in late 2002. their "devel" tree has become the mainline, tested tree from mid 2003 to this day. These aren't CVS builds or beta builds of a program striving to teach a release point, these are the release points!

At thats what I think.
(On another note, why can we only have 1 between blackbox, fluxbox, and hackedbox?)

iphitus · 2005-07-09 10:36:58

This has been debated over and over.

And we're yet to find someone who disagrees. I'm going to file this as a bug on the bug tracker, come over post and support me.

sepht · 2005-07-09 10:45:41

Debate? the fb devs list devel as the stable version!

but yeh... It's a bit strange.. Fluxbox is one of the few wm's closley tracking XOrg's developement, hell in a bb vs fb post a few weeks ago someone post it as their main reason...

iphitus · 2005-07-09 11:06:11

http://bugs.archlinux.org/index.php?do=details&id=2935
sign up, add a comment, support.

ozar · 2005-07-09 14:29:30

Okay, I agree with you guys so added my comments to the bug tracker. Now, let's cross our fingers!

Here's more that's been posted on the Archlinux front page:

http://archlinux.org/news.php#164

sepht · 2005-07-09 18:28:12

oh noes, Debian stable runs fluxbox-devel! Debian stable is more current the Arch! lol, I posted my comments, w00t @ iphitus

iphitus · 2005-07-10 02:20:11

whoa, looked like i stirred up a termite nest with that one...

ozar · 2005-07-10 04:21:25

iphitus wrote:

whoa, looked like i stirred up a termite nest with that one...

Yeah, what makes you do things like that, iphitus? :?

Hopefully Tobias didn't get too upset about it.

iphitus · 2005-07-10 04:22:37

ozar wrote:

iphitus wrote:
whoa, looked like i stirred up a termite nest with that one...
Yeah, what makes you do things like that, iphitus? :?
Hopefully Tobias didn't get too upset about it.

I do things like that?

Meh, its just a package, nothing to get upset about.

phrakture · 2005-07-11 01:54:59

ok, to reiterate the other side of this debate:
a) there are many people who still use 0.1.14 - replacing it with the newer version obsoletes it.
b) if 0.9.X is the "stable" version, why do they still support and distribute the other version
c)

fluxbox download page wrote:

The latest stable release is v0.1.14. Development version of Fluxbox can be found here.

Basically, we need to have both packages. It's a given... so what's the problem? "OMFG Ix0r haf 2 type moor l3ttrz!"

Gullible Jones · 2005-07-11 02:14:11

Solution: move fluxbox-devel to the Extra repo, with fluxbox.

iphitus · 2005-07-11 07:46:02

phrakture wrote:

ok, to reiterate the other side of this debate:
a) there are many people who still use 0.1.14 - replacing it with the newer version obsoletes it.

I dont think there are that many people actually using it....... the archstats statistics goes back how many years? How many people realistically keep their archstats ID when they reinstall? How many of us have recently sent info to arch stats?

I think if you had a look at recent submissions from the last six months, I'll bet you'd find next to no submissions including old fluxbox, and if there is one that includes it, I'll bet that the user isnt using it.

Besides, I thought arch was meant to be relatively bleeding edge?

b) if 0.9.X is the "stable" version, why do they still support and distribute the other version

They dont support it. If you go into the Fluxbox IRC, and ask for help with old fluxbox, all the users, and developers, will tell you to update.

But hey, seeing as they distrobute old fluxbox, let's distribute Gaim 0.60:
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/gaim … z?download

c)
fluxbox download page wrote:
The latest stable release is v0.1.14. Development version of Fluxbox can be found here.
Basically, we need to have both packages. It's a given... so what's the problem? "OMFG Ix0r haf 2 type moor l3ttrz!"

Gullible Jones · 2005-07-11 11:10:29

It bombs because it can't obtain the package. Something about Sourceforge...

iphitus · 2005-07-11 12:31:43

Change the sourceforge mirror to dl.sourceforge. It then gets the source, but has an error compiling it. And I mean a compilation, code, error, not a missing dep or anything minor.

dtw · 2005-07-11 12:46:11

That should be enough to kill it

Gullible Jones · 2005-07-11 12:55:49

Maybe the build {} lines in the PKGBUILD need some changes...

iphitus · 2005-07-11 13:18:42

No, you dont understand. It's a problem in the code, the code needs to be updated to compile with more recent versions of gcc (I'm using 3.4.3). It needs to be patched, and maintained.

It is no longer maintained, therefore, nobody is patching it to work with current and newer versions of GCC.

iphitus

Gullible Jones · 2005-07-11 17:42:55

Then it is broken... :shock:

ozar · 2005-07-15 23:04:43

Cool!

Fluxbox 0.9.13-4 is in the Extra repo now, instead of Unstable... 8)

dtw · 2005-07-17 07:59:11

FINALLY - HURRAH!

iphitus · 2005-07-17 11:23:35

w00t, i did something useful!

dtw · 2005-07-17 17:07:30

I tried enough times too! Nice on on chasing it up again

Does it actually benefit you now? Seeing as you are an ion guy?

iphitus · 2005-07-17 17:20:58

dibblethewrecker wrote:

I tried enough times too! Nice on on chasing it up again
Does it actually benefit you now? Seeing as you are an ion guy?

not a lot, but if anyone knows me, they know i'll be sick of ion by the end of the month and using fluxbox or gnome or whatever fancy new WM is out. not kde. since my first week using linux, the longest i've survived on KDE is a day.

I was a big flux user last year and early this year too: http://iphitus.loudas.com/fluxbox.php

I always check out the latest releases too. Theres no doubt i'll be using it again soon.

iphitus

ozar · 2005-07-17 17:24:31

Yeah, I play with different WMs all the time but seem to always revert back to Fluxbox. Sure glad the latest and greatest is finally in the Extra repo.

dtw · 2005-07-17 18:33:07

i been using cvs/svn for as long as i can remember - there is always a pkg in my repo

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Flubox stable/unstable stable/devel mixup?

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