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ewaller

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Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

Oh, very well

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Jristz

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Registered: 2011-06-11

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Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

That is right 'caerolle' and 'eweller'

Archlinux has moved to systemd, mark as solved

sorry

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caerolle

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Registered: 2012-09-28

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Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

(giggles at ewaller) 

ConnorBehan

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Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

Except topics in "Arch discussion" aren't usually problems that need to be solved or not.

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lesha-ssh

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Registered: 2012-06-06

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Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

For a long years Archlinux WAS my favorite linux distibutive. Because it was simple and powerfull, flexible configurabe. It was really best choise for home and for server! And now, archlinux turning into ....even not Unbutu, Arch turning into Windows!!

RIP, beloved ARCH!

P.S.: I WISH LENNART POETTERING TO GO TO HELL!!!

jasonwryan

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Registered: 2009-05-09

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Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

...and, for a first post, what a contribution. Enjoy your week off.

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JLloyd13

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Registered: 2012-06-24

Posts: 107

Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

just switched my system over today. I don't consider myself to be that good yet, but I was surprised by how easy it was. and boot ups are now much faster. I do miss the simplicity of rc.conf, but in the end I think its good.

WonderWoofy

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From: Los Gatos, CA

Registered: 2012-05-19

Posts: 8,414

Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

After a bit with systemd, I don't miss rc.conf anymore.  The systemctl command makes things pretty simple once you figure it out.  Plus, service files are stupid easy to write, and seem much more versatile.

ontobelli

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From: Mexico City

Registered: 2011-02-06

Posts: 127

Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

... Arch turning into Windows!!

Really?

Windows is turning into a smartphone.

The only constant is change, continuing change, inevitable change, that is the dominant factor in society today. No sensible decision can be made any longer without taking into account not only the world as it is, but the world as it will be.
— Isaac Asimov

ngoonee

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Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

... Arch turning into Windows!!

Really?

Windows is turning into a smartphone.

The only constant is change, continuing change, inevitable change, that is the dominant factor in society today. No sensible decision can be made any longer without taking into account not only the world as it is, but the world as it will be.
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https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Fo … ng_Systems

Best way to handle comments such as his is not to respond. Even ironically. Irony doesn't translate well on the web.

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Awebb

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Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

For a thread with this capacity, the LD50 seems to be very low :-D

kinleyd

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From: Bhutan

Registered: 2012-09-21

Posts: 142

Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

Shifted to systemd today. After using it for a while, booting, rebooting etc. to see changes in performance, I join those happy with the new default. Two thumbs up for those at Arch who made this decision. My system boots and shuts down much, much faster (and it was already fast), and a number of niggling problems I had (the login prompt showing up ever so briefly but irritatingly when logging out or shutting down, and the auto mounting of disk drives, etc.) went away.

Thanks.

Edit: It also seems that this annoying boot error message, "watchdog: INTCAMT: cannot register miscdev on minor=130 (err=-16)", has also gone away. Early days, but I don't see this message or related errors in dmesg. Not sure if this has anything to do with today's upgrade to kernel 3.6.2-1 (yay!), but whatever it was, EXCELLENT!!

Last edited by kinleyd (2012-10-15 11:00:37)

marvn

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From: Prague

Registered: 2010-01-05

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Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

For a long years Archlinux WAS my favorite linux distibutive. Because it was simple and powerfull, flexible configurabe. It was really best choise for home and for server! And now, archlinux turning into ....even not Unbutu, Arch turning into Windows!!

RIP, beloved ARCH!

P.S.: I WISH LENNART POETTERING TO GO TO HELL!!!

great first post, welcome to Arch forums!

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kinleyd

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From: Bhutan

Registered: 2012-09-21

Posts: 142

Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

Was also wondering, having moved fully to systemd, at what point should we be cleaning up rc related files on the system? And would there be a simple way to do it, like uninstalling a particular package or two?

brain0

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From: Aachen - Germany

Registered: 2005-01-03

Posts: 1,382

Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

Was also wondering, having moved fully to systemd, at what point should we be cleaning up rc related files on the system? And would there be a simple way to do it, like uninstalling a particular package or two?

In pacman 4.1, the NoExtract option of pacman.conf will support wildcards. This means that

NoExtract=/etc/rc.d/* /etc/xinetd.d/*

is possible. Apart from uninstalling initscripts, there are no packages to remove I can think of.

whistlingfish

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Registered: 2012-10-10

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Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

After coming to love Linux through Ubuntu and Debian, I am now an Arch newbie and aficionado. While I've learned a ton, I still have a long way to go before I consider myself at all experienced with the OS. Moving to systemd frankly frightened me, especially since I was barely conversant with the rc scripts, but after taking the plunge I'm delighted. This morning my laptop failed to boot, but one look at the systemd logs and I knew exactly what the problem was and how fix it. Nice.

masteryod

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Registered: 2010-05-19

Posts: 433

Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

Was also wondering, having moved fully to systemd, at what point should we be cleaning up rc related files on the system? And would there be a simple way to do it, like uninstalling a particular package or two?

When you follow wiki there is section called "A pure systemd installation":

1. [...]
2. [...]
3. Remove the initscripts package from your system.

This will remove initscripts and leave rc.conf file as rc.conf.pacsave so it won't be used at all any more.

After coming to love Linux through Ubuntu and Debian, I am now an Arch newbie and aficionado. While I've learned a ton, I still have a long way to go before I consider myself at all experienced with the OS. Moving to systemd frankly frightened me, especially since I was barely conversant with the rc scripts, but after taking the plunge I'm delighted. This morning my laptop failed to boot, but one look at the systemd logs and I knew exactly what the problem was and how fix it. Nice.

Welcome on forum It's good to see a sane person who don't blame whole world when his/hers system fail to boot. I'm glad it wasn't very much of a trouble for you.

Last edited by masteryod (2012-10-15 13:20:46)

kinleyd

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From: Bhutan

Registered: 2012-09-21

Posts: 142

Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

Thanks brain0 and masteryod for your responses.

Yes, I had already uninstalled initscripts per the wiki, and was just wondering what kind and number of old files would be left floating around. I will check out the NoExtract option.

And to add to the good sentiments of whistlingfish (another good name!), I'm also a recent convert to Arch. Many years of Ubuntu prior to this, but I tired of waiting for program updates. Long story short, I love Arch! I've been able to tune my set up just the way I like it. The documentation makes this possible because it is just fantastic. My gushing thanks and gratitude to the Arch community for this wonderful experience.

yaffare

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Registered: 2011-12-29

Posts: 71

Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

Will there be a deadline for people still using initscripts? This or next year?

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Mr.Elendig

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Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

Super secret inside information, burn after reading.

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yaffare

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Registered: 2011-12-29

Posts: 71

Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

Super secret inside information, burn after reading.

Thx. Always good to have someone from the CIA in our arch forum.

*Accidentally burned myself after reading.

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CTheGreatDevaluation

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Registered: 2012-09-03

Posts: 21

Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

I'm new to Arch, coming from Fedora...I had obv a lot to do and learnt a lot but I was worried moving to pure systemd installation but I wanted to do it so badly.

To cut a long story short, read the wiki, did everything step by step..after 15 minutes I was done!

Everything's working like a charm...finally found my distro

cheers

owain

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Registered: 2009-08-24

Posts: 251

Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

So I made myself sit down and read the wiki, and then get on and do it.

For something that had proved so controversial among the community, I was impressed with how easy the process proved to be, and I'm now running a pure systemd system.

Thanks to all those involved, especially those who have put in the hard (and presumably tedious!) work to ensure the documentation is up to scratch.

JLloyd13

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Registered: 2012-06-24

Posts: 107

Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

So I made myself sit down and read the wiki, and then get on and do it.

For something that had proved so controversial among the community, I was impressed with how easy the process proved to be, and I'm now running a pure systemd system.

Thanks to all those involved, especially those who have put in the hard (and presumably tedious!) work to ensure the documentation is up to scratch.

I second this. as someone new to arch the idea of changing something so major and importent seemed impossable to me, and yet the process took very little time and I love the benifits. Thank you

Inxsible

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Re: Archlinux is moving to systemd

merged owains thread

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