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#1 2013-05-10 07:20:39

nicolasantini
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Arch frugal installation

My Arch-boxes (netbook Intel Atom and fixed system AMD64) has survived at both the stormy sea of mistakes made by me wink and both to the vagaries of the development lines of various desktop environments and software ... wink Now I would like to do some order; putting up a system cleaner and responsive to my needs. The guidelines would be:

- Adoption and optimization (mkinicpio etc.) since the beginning of the LTS kernel.
- Adoption and use of a single DE (Mate).
- Start on console mode and launch of DE exclusively on demand via "startx".
- Contain at minimal the packages from AUR or compiled "in situ".
- Adoption of ALSA without (if possible) interaction with Pulse.

Can I really do it without "side effects" of some importance?
Appreciated, of course, would be the help of those who have already embarked on similar projects! smile

Fraternal greetings to all Arch-user and thank you from now!

P.S. sorry for my english, but I am not english  wink

Last edited by nicolasantini (2013-05-10 07:23:32)

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#2 2013-05-10 07:46:46

drcouzelis
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Re: Arch frugal installation

nicolasantini wrote:

Can I really do it without "side effects" of some importance?

Yes. smile

Try it. If you have a problem, ask about it here.

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#3 2013-05-10 09:26:24

tomk
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Re: Arch frugal installation

nicolasantini wrote:

- Adoption and optimization (mkinicpio etc.) since the beginning of the LTS kernel.

No idea what that means - explain.

nicolasantini wrote:

- Contain at minimal the packages from AUR or compiled "in situ".

And again, impossible to decipher - explain.

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#4 2013-05-10 10:08:56

nicolasantini
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Re: Arch frugal installation

Hi! Tomk.

About the kernel I would use the LTS version from the beginning of the installation procedure (without loading last one as usually occurs).

About the AUR packages i would use the strictly necessary ones (preferring the software loaded via pacman from the official repositories).

Several of the items listed in my post are not ultimative requests wink but only ideas that I would to follow!

Excuse me again for my english. I hope that now it's a bit cleaner smile

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#5 2013-05-10 10:16:02

IsSuE
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Re: Arch frugal installation

Do you have a reason for wanting the LTS kernel?
What do you need the AUR for? (drivers?)
But in general, this looks like a typical arch installation smile

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#6 2013-05-10 10:23:08

rix
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Re: Arch frugal installation

Sai che c'è anche il forum italiano?

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#7 2013-05-10 10:29:40

jasonwryan
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Re: Arch frugal installation

Not an Installation issue, moving to Newbie Corner...


Arch + dwm   •   Mercurial repos  •   Github

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#8 2013-05-10 10:55:35

krzychusss
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Re: Arch frugal installation

I also had this idea long time ago... But so far I am too lazy to reinstall working system wink

Did you encounter any problems with running latest version of MATE? I did try to use it, but after logging in, I couldn't run Caja... Now I'm polishing KDE SC to look and behave more Gnome-like (I mean the good, old-fashioned Gnome 2.x).

Let us know about progress smile

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#9 2013-05-10 12:46:01

tomk
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Re: Arch frugal installation

nicolasantini wrote:

I would use the LTS version from the beginning of the installation procedure

You will have to use the unofficial archboot installer then, LTS is not provided on the official installer.

nicolasantini wrote:

About the AUR packages i would use the strictly necessary ones

That's a good one. smile
FYI there are no strictly necessary packages in the AUR.

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#10 2013-05-10 12:53:40

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Re: Arch frugal installation

There are no strictly necessary packages outside of the base group.  And arguably there are many not strictly necessary packages in the base group.


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#11 2013-05-10 13:23:01

nicolasantini
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Re: Arch frugal installation

krzychusss wrote:

I also had this idea long time ago... But so far I am too lazy to reinstall working system wink

Did you encounter any problems with running latest version of MATE? I did try to use it, but after logging in, I couldn't run Caja... Now I'm polishing KDE SC to look and behave more Gnome-like (I mean the good, old-fashioned Gnome 2.x).

Let us know about progress smile


Hi, krzychusss!

On my netbook (a Toshiba NB305) runs the latest Mate (1.6). There are small problems (the single-click does not work even if it is enabled, Caja does not show the option "Open as root" and / or "Open in Terminal" ... for example), but overall it works smoothly.
I think, however, that in order to properly evaluate the DE we should start from a fresh install of Arch. This is to prevent misleading '"interferences" with other DE or with spurious libraries or with residual files, and so on ...

Enable (if you want) the e-mail reception on your profile or send me your address using the icon under my nicname.
We could talk also in that way about "non-pro" issues wink wink (or boring for someone...).

see you soon smile

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#12 2013-05-10 13:28:11

MilenKid
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Re: Arch frugal installation

Why would you use LTS?
I think a singe DE is better, I noticed that mixing DE's will cause a mess (not necessarily instability).

- Start on console mode and launch of DE exclusively on demand via "startx".

What is the point? Start on whatever you use the most.

AUR packages I don't use a lot but it depends on your needs.

I think overall it is about how much you use your computer. You can make once every two days a backup image of your system and that's it smile.

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#13 2013-05-10 14:51:20

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Re: Arch frugal installation

arch+frugal does not compute. luckily your post has nothing to do with its title so i'm delighted to confirm that what you'd like to do is possible.
DISCLAIMER: I understood ~16.667% of OP


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#14 2013-05-10 15:37:44

SolarBoyMatt
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Re: Arch frugal installation

You could be even more "frugal" by ditching DE's all together and giving openbox or a tiling WM a try instead.

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#15 2013-05-10 17:41:00

anonymous_user
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Re: Arch frugal installation

nicolasantini wrote:

- Adoption and optimization (mkinicpio etc.) since the beginning of the LTS kernel.

Is there a specific reason you want the LTS kernel?

nicolasantini wrote:

- Start on console mode and launch of DE exclusively on demand via "startx".

Unless you plan on using the console frequently, you could have your DE launching automatically when logging in:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Start_X_at_Boot

nicolasantini wrote:

- Contain at minimal the packages from AUR or compiled "in situ".

If you like a program from the AUR you should just use it.

nicolasantini wrote:

- Adoption of ALSA without (if possible) interaction with Pulse.

This is easily possible so long as you avoid Gnome and possibly Cinnamon too.

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