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#1 2005-11-13 18:02:51

jerem
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Still can't install Arch from an external USB cdrom drive

When I try to install Arch with the 0.7.1 install cd, it boots fine, but I can't get the loaddisk command to work.

I tried all the devices in /dev  ( for i in /dev/* ; do loaddisk $i ; done ) but that did not do the trick.

I have an external USB dvd device. The usual module is sr_mod along with other standard USB support modules(ehci and so on...).

As the loaddisk command is supposed to load these modules, how can I install the system ???

I precise that my cdrom is perfectly standard and I've already successfully installed arch 0.7 with it...

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#2 2005-12-14 03:52:26

Krzysiek_W
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Re: Still can't install Arch from an external USB cdrom drive

I have the same problem when tring to install Arch on HDD connected via USB


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#3 2005-12-14 12:22:42

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Re: Still can't install Arch from an external USB cdrom drive

I can't use loaddisk, too. But in my case, no nodes where created that could be used to pass to loaddisk.

http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?p=128429#128429


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#4 2005-12-14 17:50:21

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Re: Still can't install Arch from an external USB cdrom drive

Yep, this bug has already been fixed for 0.7.1 final.

To quickly create an fd0 node where you can load disk add-ons:

# mknod /dev/fd0 b 2 0

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#5 2006-01-06 09:48:36

ramjet
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Re: Still can't install Arch from an external USB cdrom drive

Im still having problems with installing from usb cdrom using 7.1 final, while i can boot ok, when i try to select packages and select cdrom, it says no media found,

the installation wiki says"
If your CD-ROM drive is not displayed in the list, make sure you loaded any modules that may be needed, like SCSI or USB storage support.

so i tried modprobeing usb-storage... which gives an error...

anyway.. could someone enlighten me.. what has to be done to install from usb cdrom.. i seem to recall that i managed it with 7.0

Also: Cant seem to get load my NIC for a ftp install either... i seem to remember that it is  modprobe e1000 has worked in other distro's...
am i missing somehting obvious?

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#6 2006-01-06 10:09:55

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Re: Still can't install Arch from an external USB cdrom drive

which node is expected to be created for that usb cdrom device? Is this node available in /dev/? Consider to create one manually after booting into 0.7.1, using mknod. Have you followed apeiro's advice?


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#7 2006-01-06 10:30:40

ramjet
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Re: Still can't install Arch from an external USB cdrom drive

kay ... didnt need to use mknod.. was already there.. guess thats a fix since 7.1pre , 
used the syntax line provided by jerem to find that i could loadisk /dev/ram0 which extracted some modules n stuff to /tmp/addons.

what now though?...I have tried to mount all of the /dev/sda to /dev/sde.. which the cdrom should be under...  what module do i need to load to enable usb

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#8 2006-01-06 10:40:01

ramjet
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Re: Still can't install Arch from an external USB cdrom drive

basicly my problem is the same as this

http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?t=17118

isnt there any way other than a bootstrap as is suggested by this thread?

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#9 2006-01-06 18:01:09

jerem
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Re: Still can't install Arch from an external USB cdrom drive

Seems a lot of distros can't install from external USB cdroms,

... except gentoo. Especially the 2005-r1 fixes this.

Isn't a distro supposed to be tested on several hardware configurations ???

So how is it it doesn't boot on usb devices ? Isn't that widely spread enough ???

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#10 2006-01-06 18:36:38

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Re: Still can't install Arch from an external USB cdrom drive

jerem wrote:

Seems a lot of distros can't install from external USB cdroms,

... except gentoo. Especially the 2005-r1 fixes this.

Isn't a distro supposed to be tested on several hardware configurations ???

So how is it it doesn't boot on usb devices ? Isn't that widely spread enough ???

and where where you when we all where asked to test 0.7.1 pre???


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#11 2006-01-06 18:48:31

jerem
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Re: Still can't install Arch from an external USB cdrom drive

I was here. I updated the post to say that the problem remains with 0.7.1.

2 hours ago, the title was "unable to install arch with external usb dvd"
and the first post mentioned 0.7.1pre1.

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#12 2006-01-06 19:39:30

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Re: Still can't install Arch from an external USB cdrom drive

Unfortunately, I included USB support as modules, which introduces the classic chicken-and-egg problem for users with a USB CD-ROM.

The easiest workaround is to get the USB modules from the USB add-on diskette image.  But of course, you need a floppy drive for this.

If you don't have a floppy drive, you could extract the USB add-on image using another OS, or another computer (then copy it over the network via FTP or NFS).

I've made a note to build-in USB drivers for 0.8 so this problem will go away.

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#13 2006-01-06 19:40:24

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Re: Still can't install Arch from an external USB cdrom drive

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#14 2006-01-07 11:46:41

jerem
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Re: Still can't install Arch from an external USB cdrom drive

Thanks a lot !

Unfortunately I don't have any floppy disk, but as I have a second computer (working fine with Arch for more than a year),

I think I can manage to solve the problem with the network solution.

Once more, thanks !

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#15 2006-01-09 10:17:35

ramjet
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Re: Still can't install Arch from an external USB cdrom drive

sorry, Im sure the answer from here is obvious but i seem to have missed it.
I extracted the content of keymaps_usb_firewire.img to /tmp/addons   and im left with a bunch of .bz2 files  how do i use these?... where do i extract them to and/or how do i load them?

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#16 2006-01-09 12:09:06

ramjet
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Re: Still can't install Arch from an external USB cdrom drive

ok, i have done the following
#bunzip2 usb-storage.tar.bz2
#tar -xf usb-storage.tar
leaving me with a 2.6.15 directory in /tmp/addons
where should this directory be?
also , when i try to #modprobe usb-storage
it looks for /lib/modules/2.6.15/kernel/drivers/scsi/scsi_mod.ko  but cannot find it
it then tries /lib/modules/2.6.15/kernel/drivers/usb/storage/usb-storage.ko and does find it but cannot load it.

I realy dont want to wait for arch 8.0,  what am i doing wrong?

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#17 2006-01-09 21:33:24

jerem
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Re: Still can't install Arch from an external USB cdrom drive

The command to extract them is tar xvjf archive.tar.bz2
The archive is extracted to the current working directory.

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#18 2006-01-09 22:54:37

Snowman
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Re: Still can't install Arch from an external USB cdrom drive

To insert the module try:
insmod /full/pathto/module.ko

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#19 2006-01-10 02:10:50

ramjet
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Re: Still can't install Arch from an external USB cdrom drive

thanks guys, finaly a working arch install. smile
.someone should write  a wiki  on all this, I would if i understood what was actualy happening instead of blindly typing commands.

now to bludgeon xorg 7.0 into working... :x

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#20 2006-05-09 05:37:28

fyllemisstaget
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Re: Still can't install Arch from an external USB cdrom drive

hm I don't know if I am stupid..but how do I extract that .img file?
I have a second computer with windows and linux on it...

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#21 2006-05-09 07:26:28

Snowman
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Re: Still can't install Arch from an external USB cdrom drive

You need to write the images on a floppy. In windows, I use rawwritewin: http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/rawwrite.htm

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#22 2006-05-09 11:33:02

fyllemisstaget
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Re: Still can't install Arch from an external USB cdrom drive

thanx..I will try it out later today

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#23 2006-05-11 18:58:15

fyllemisstaget
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Re: Still can't install Arch from an external USB cdrom drive

man..I just can't get it to work...I can't insmod usb-storage.ko

can someone please take me trough this step by step..
here is what I got:

I have extracted the contents of the usb_firewire.img to a partition (/dev/hda6) ... and then a copy it over to /tmp/addons...and cd to /tmp/addons

then I try to: insmod /tmp/addons/2.6.15/kernel/drivers/usb/storage/usb-storage.ko ...but it cannot insert it..

what am I doing wrong?

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#24 2006-05-27 14:10:51

jerem
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Re: Still can't install Arch from an external USB cdrom drive

Personnally, I gived up installing Arch with post-0.7 cds.

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#25 2006-06-21 15:04:08

tom5760
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Re: Still can't install Arch from an external USB cdrom drive

You could try this method -> Installing_Arch_from_a_LiveCD

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