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Neopunk

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[? ] How to install Arch Linux by full net Boot

in  Debian & ubuntu 

i have  mini.iso   that can boot

and then get full Enthernet Netork Card driver

i can use text mode to install  base Debian  & ubuntu  by  Net

like this  :  http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ … t/mini.iso

or 

i can get    linux &  initrd.lz    incould in the mini.iso  + Grub  -----> also      get full Enthernet Netork Card driver

Arch Linux  only PXE  ? 

THX

Trilby

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Re: [? ] How to install Arch Linux by full net Boot

That link is broken so I'm not really sure what it is you are looking for.  All arch installs are net installs.  The installation iso is probably a lot like your debian mini.iso: you boot, get a network connection, then download and install all the packages.

There is also the netboot which sounds like it's not what you want.

There is also the option to install from an existing linux which should work even from your debian mini.iso.

Edit: oops - I was expecting a page with some information.  That is just the link to the iso itself.  Short of extracting the iso or trying to boot it, I'm left in the same situation though: it's not clear to me what you are looking for.

Last edited by Trilby (2013-06-10 12:59:38)

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karol

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Re: [? ] How to install Arch Linux by full net Boot

No, the link is fine.

Neopunk

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Re: [? ] How to install Arch Linux by full net Boot

Trilby    thx

the  mini.iso  of ubuntu  or Debian  only  5XMB   ( incould linux &  initrd.lz )

but arch linux  the link  you give   https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/In … ting_Linux

still  get  root-image.fs (the file  over 200MB)

i want  a small install source like mini.iso
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i  use arch linux  PXE install  ----- the link   http://releng.archlinux.org/pxeboot/

ipxe.lkrn   is small  but it only boot from PXE

it still  download  root-image.fs to go to  text  install mode

THX

Trilby

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Re: [? ] How to install Arch Linux by full net Boot

I think I'm still missing something.  Youre mini.iso, plus a script with just a few lines should do it.  Your mini iso gives you a working shell and a network connection, right? The script would only have to 1) curl/wget the iso file, 2) mount the iso, and 3) chroot into the mount point.

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WonderWoofy

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Re: [? ] How to install Arch Linux by full net Boot

still  get  root-image.fs (the file  over 200MB)

i want  a small install source like mini.iso

So is it the size of the image that concerns you?  Or are you actually trying to use PXE to do the installation?  If it is the size, we unfortunately only have the ~500MB archiso.  But you should know that it is that size because it is dual architechture.  There used to be separate x86 and x86_64 (amd64), but now they are combined.  So in reality, it is more of a ~250MB image, but you just have to get both.

I have started creating my own archiso's with only that which I need, and only x86_64.  They are <200MB.  I didn't start building them with the goal of shrinking them though, i started building them because I got a wireless card with which I am forced to use broadcom-wl, which is not in the official repos or the kernel.

Neopunk

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Re: [? ] How to install Arch Linux by full net Boot

i think the guy  have the same question  https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=750895

the  mini.iso  from ubuntu    http://i.imgur.com/vE1DxcV.jpg

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Insta … /MinimalCD

The Minimal CD will download packages from online archives at installation time instead of providing them on the install CD itself. Downloading packages at install time reduces the size of the install CD to approximately 5 to 30MB depending on architecture (see below), as well as providing only the packages needed for installation. The download time savings achieved by using a Minimal CD can be significant, as only current packages are downloaded, so there is no need to upgrade packages immediately after installation. The Minimal CD uses a text-based installer like the Alternate CD, making the CD image as compact as possible.

http://www.erikzaadi.com/2012/11/11/ins … -mini-iso/

mini iso gives you a working shell   ----> maybe    like this image   http://i.imgur.com/vZnLb1v.jpg http://i.imgur.com/OGZjtPZ.jpg

and a network connection------> Yes  like this image   http://i.imgur.com/TzGISI5.jpg

THX

Moderator Edit:  Redacted oversized images and converted them to url links.  Our policy

Last edited by ewaller (2013-06-10 15:07:35)

WonderWoofy

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Re: [? ] How to install Arch Linux by full net Boot

Holy bejesus you have posted some insanely large pictures here.  If you want there to be pictures in your post, you need to have them hosted elsewhere and linked to unless they are much much smaller than what you have going here.

Okay, so what you want is for the installation procedure to download the necessay packages at install time.  This is the only option with arch linux, as the install media has no packages on it.  I explained to you why it is large in my last post, which you did not confirm that you had seen.  So if you havne't scroll back up past all your insanely large pictures (that will be taken down shortly I can assure you) and read the post.

I don't know what you are asking about the various files in the installer, and frankly, you are simply causing confusion in asking without words... but rather pictures and arrows.  Please try to state your questions and concerns in a simply easy to understand manner.  So far I don't think anyone really knows what question(s) you are asking or how many or if they are related or what the heck is going on here.

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Neopunk

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Re: [? ] How to install Arch Linux by full net Boot

sorry  my english is very poor

so i tnink picture can let someone know that  i  want

maybe  i  say that   i need  a small  boot & install  CD ISO

the ISO   <100MB   ( For  X64 )

ISO  only incould    [ boot kernel ]  [ boot network driver] [chroot]  [install tools ]......etc   -----> like Debian / Ubuntu  mini CD

_____________________________  another ______________________

i use PXE  and then  it very close   Debian / Ubuntu  mini CD  but still not the same

because 

1. still  download  boot kernel by PXE & Net  ( linux &  initrd.lz)  <------ Debian / Ubuntu  mini CD directly  incould

2. finish download boot kernel & boot driver  .PXE  will download  "All Base system" ------>  root-image.sqfs   <------ Debian / Ubuntu  mini CD does not need

THX

Last edited by Neopunk (2013-06-10 15:19:53)

ewaller

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Re: [? ] How to install Arch Linux by full net Boot

Neopunk,

First, welcome to Arch Linux.  I had to edit your post because the pictures vastly exceeded our policy for picture size.   

I have read this entire thread - twice - and I have no clue what you are asking.  What is it that you want to do?

Edit: I just saw your most recent post.  In what way does our install media not provide that?

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hokasch

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Re: [? ] How to install Arch Linux by full net Boot

You can try this, ~100MB. Make sure to read the whole page on Archiso, it is not the official installer.

WonderWoofy

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Re: [? ] How to install Arch Linux by full net Boot

As Trilby already pointed out as well, it is totally possible to use a different ISO from another distribution to install Arch Linux.  It is a simple matter of installing pacman and optionally the arch-install-scripts on the live media of your choice, and then following the beginners guide.

Still, I have no idea what it is you are asking... we have PXE instructions, around here somewhwre.  But this may or may not be what you are asking.  You continue to make some kind of comparison against debian or ubuntu, and I think it should be pointed out that this is not debian/ubuntu.

2ManyDogs

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Re: [? ] How to install Arch Linux by full net Boot

I think this is the main thing he's asking for:

maybe  i  say that   i need  a small  boot & install  CD ISO
the ISO   <100MB   ( For  X64 )

He needs (or just wants) an install iso smaller than 100M, but he has not yet explained why he needs (or wants) this, other than that Debian has one.

WonderWoofy

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Re: [? ] How to install Arch Linux by full net Boot

Interesting... well debian also has about a billion different installers and live media images.  Compare that to our one and... well yeah.

Neopunk

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Re: [? ] How to install Arch Linux by full net Boot

Sorry my English is very poor

I want to express, and the demand is ---> Similar Debian / Ubuntu installation source such Mini.iso

I've used Debian / Ubuntu but most still use Win system

Debian / Ubuntu on a recordable disc after all I do not like because the environmental

In addition linux version has been updated

I'm curious about is

Debian / Ubuntu's mini.iso

In addition to containing initrd.gz (available Net Driver)  &  linux boot files of these two major outer

The other is a simple installation system tools and Script

But why Arch Linux does not like the size of the file and the way?

If the current arch Linux not readily available in a similar manner

If I want to use in a similar manner

How do I modify the Debian / Ubuntu's mini.iso

Arch Linux on which the replacement files and rewrite what it?

the link  Debian / Ubuntu's mini.iso   http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ … t/mini.iso

Last edited by Neopunk (2013-06-11 12:13:22)

Lone_Wolf

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Re: [? ] How to install Arch Linux by full net Boot

neopunk, is the reason you want  a small iso that your internet connection has a download limit ?

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Neopunk

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Re: [? ] How to install Arch Linux by full net Boot

this video  is Debian/ubuntu mini CD iso  boot on VM

http://www.multiupload.nl/RWK0JTAOQX

Debian/Ubuntu setp  <--- I think

1. load   initrd.gz  & linux  to boot

2. show install menu

3. go into txet install mode

4. detect network IP or setup IP  and then  keyboard....etc

5.  start dowload package of install  ( package is alone ) ----> start install ........

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Arch Linux  PXE or  PXE_booting_.2F_Rescue_system ( ISO Link : https://downloads.archlinux.de/iso/archboot/2013.03)

1. boot from ipxe.LKRM   <-----PXE   
2. PXE get IP and then downlad  ARCHISO.img & vmlinuz   continue to boot
3.  continue to download  [ root-image.sqfs ]  to build install  environmental      <--------  root-image.sqfs   incould all  packages  of install   -----> different Debian/Ubuntu

PS.  PXE_booting_.2F_Rescue_system  incould  1~3  so ISO files over 100MB

my  USB stick   only 64MB   

THX

Trilby

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Re: [? ] How to install Arch Linux by full net Boot

Yes, that seems about right.  Is there a question?

The default arch installation image is bigger than the mini debian image (but much smaller than the default debian).  If you want an arch installer that small, you've already been told how to acheive it.  Why do you keep posting the same description of the differences?

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Neopunk

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Re: [? ] How to install Arch Linux by full net Boot

Trilby   thx

so    i  need  to  post new psot    ?      Title  "   how to acheive arch linux install CD let it be small ? "  ?

Sorry my English is very poor

so i do not  know  how to ask my  question

i  think  that  i  type

1. i  need
2. the ISO  different  (Arch & Debian )

maybe someone  will understand  my  question

THX

Last edited by Neopunk (2013-06-11 14:14:32)

skualito

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Re: [? ] How to install Arch Linux by full net Boot

my  USB stick   only 64MB   

THX

Then, like others have suggested, to bypass the limitation of usb stick size, install first a minimal debian/ubuntu on your system and follow the instructions from the wiki.

2ManyDogs

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Re: [? ] How to install Arch Linux by full net Boot

Neopunk, if your question has not been answered here, maybe you can post in the "Other Languages" forum here, or find an International Community in your native language.

Other Languages forum: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewforum.php?id=30

International Arch communities: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/In … ommunities

Last edited by 2ManyDogs (2013-06-11 14:27:02)

Neopunk

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Re: [? ] How to install Arch Linux by full net Boot

skualito  thx

so i  lost some post

Just   Debian /Ubuntu mini.iso main parts initrd.gz & linux

I usually put the mini.iso unarch to  usb or  harddisk

and then usese grub4dos to lead booting

After all, as long as the installation is complete,     will be not to need  install disc ---> mini.iso

So I do not burn mini.iso 

The similar way on  arch   is PXE

But some network cards can not be allowed to pxe boot

Only allow network connectivity

This will not lead to  install via pxe

So I want to know how to build a similar mini.iso   for  arch linux installation source  or  where has ?

This lightweight and does not require boot via pxe

THX

Neopunk

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Re: [? ] How to install Arch Linux by full net Boot

2ManyDogs  thx

i  come from Taiwan (R.O.C) use Traditional Chinese 

i  look for  Traditional Chinese   &  Simplified Chinese forum  of Arch Linux

no  answer

Linux  default  is english   so  i  think  i can ask   english man

THX

hokasch

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Re: [? ] How to install Arch Linux by full net Boot

I usually put the mini.iso unarch to  usb or  harddisk
and then usese grub4dos to lead booting

See my post above about archboot, just point your grub to the archboot kernel/initrd. On a side note, please avoid making a newline after every line when posting.
Have you tried https://www.archlinuxcn.org/?

cryptworks

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Re: [? ] How to install Arch Linux by full net Boot

So i just did this. with a remarkable amount of success.

Grabbed the PXE image from https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Netboot
   specifically ipxe.lkrn (PGP signature) - Linux kernel-like image that can be started with any Linux bootloader
grabbed the ISO from http://ipxe.org/download
wrote the ISO to USB drive (In My case used RUFUS and an old 128mb USB drive i had just found)
renamed the ipxe.krn file from the USB drive to ipxe.krn.old and then change the file i grabbed ipxe.lkrn to ipxe.krn to match the origonal file
Boot from USB drive and was able to boot into the arch netboot environment.

First time booting arch, about to perform my first ach install. ran across this and thought i would share my solution. pardon the zombie thread moment.