hotplug,hwdetect,shd.....

GogglesGuy · 2005-11-24 18:25:43

I know Free Software is about choice, but what is the prefered choice for ArchLinux right now?

Gullible Jones · 2005-11-24 18:40:59

hwdetect

matsche · 2005-11-24 23:35:39

hwdetect

s0lar · 2005-11-25 00:27:25

I use lshwd, it is fast enough for me and does what it needs to do.

Gullible Jones · 2005-11-25 00:37:15

hwdetect is faster.

khazdar · 2005-11-25 01:17:40

what about setting your modules array manually in rc.conf?
Am I going to have to comment out the sys.init script after every update?

T-Dawg · 2005-11-25 01:45:23

khazdar wrote:

what about setting your modules array manually in rc.conf?
Am I going to have to comment out the sys.init script after every update?

hwdetect doesn't stop your modules from loading. It only autodetects your hardware and attemps to load the proper modules.
If you don't want to use, set MOD_AUTOLOAD="no".

rasat · 2005-11-27 10:05:36

Penguin wrote:

If you don't want to use, set MOD_AUTOLOAD="no".

Why "no" is not set as default? As per the Arch Way, user is suppose to know/learn what are loaded. Auto load for new users and fresh installs, does the opposit. Moreover, hwdetect doesn't work for all custom kernels. In my case, sytem hung up at booting and I had to config rc.conf through my rescue partition.

tpowa · 2005-11-27 12:39:40

what didn't work on your system?
please be more precise, hotplug was enabled by default now hwdetect does the job so please tell me the problem that i can fix it.
there was always autodetection in Arch hwdetect is the successor.
thanks
greetings
tpowa
EDIT:
It's easy to go in rescue mode with arch kernel, just enter "load_modules=off init s" on grub/lilo boot.

rasat · 2005-11-28 09:33:03

tpowa wrote:

what didn't work on your system?
please be more precise, hotplug was enabled by default now hwdetect does the job so please tell me the problem that i can fix it.

Having hotplug enabled was not proper. I didn't complain when no direct harm.

Currently I am not using my machine (login problem, did a post about it), but it was hanging up when could not find something. Did the same before and I posted the result in the other forum. If I am correct, now its something different what cannot be found. I let you know later.

rasat · 2005-11-29 22:37:46

rasat wrote:

Moreover, hwdetect doesn't work for all custom kernels.

Thanks tpowa for the upgrade letting user know hwdetect requires kernel 2.6.12 and above.

tpowa · 2005-11-30 06:51:25

no problem, i think we got you all now, custom kernel users

brain0 · 2005-12-01 15:08:30

rasat wrote:

Penguin wrote:
If you don't want to use, set MOD_AUTOLOAD="no".
Why "no" is not set as default?

Actually, hwdetect is disabled unless you set MOD_AUTOLOAD="yes" - so if you upgrade your system and don't update your rc.conf, hwdetect will be disabled.

rasat · 2005-12-02 05:08:41

I understand your point. The default what I am here speaking about is the setting in initscript package. If you take a look, in rc.conf it says:

#
# Scan hardware and load required modules at bootup
MOD_AUTOLOAD="yes"

nagoola · 2005-12-02 08:43:36

So just because I dont really know the differences: Why is nobody using the good ol' hotplug?

Snowman · 2005-12-02 09:00:21

nagoola wrote:

So just because I dont really know the differences: Why is nobody using the good ol' hotplug?

That's because hotplug is quite slow. hwdetect loads the modules much faster (as fast as if they were explicitely listed in the MODULES array). Therefore, your system will boot faster.

T-Dawg · 2005-12-02 12:29:09

nagoola wrote:

So just because I dont really know the differences: Why is nobody using the good ol' hotplug?

Because its slow as hell. Hwdetect and lshwd (hwd in daemons) do the same thing but much faster.

hotplug = grab a snickers bar
hwd, hwdetect = hold on to your seat

Snarkout · 2005-12-04 17:31:41

So, where's a good place for me to read about the differences between hwd (which I'm using now) and hwdetect (assuming this is actually something new and different. Judd's Blog entry certainly led me to believe it is). I was simply blown away by hwd, FWIW.

Gullible Jones · 2005-12-04 18:00:35

hwdetect detects everything that hotplug does and more. HWD sees about half that stuff.

Lone_Wolf · 2005-12-04 18:57:39

In my (short) experience with Arch, hwd sees more than hotplug, and hwdetect sees more than hwd.

tpowa · 2005-12-04 19:45:44

new udev-076-4 will kill hotplug and pcmcia-cs because now is everything done by udev and hwdetect.

Gullible Jones · 2005-12-04 21:00:27

Really? :shock: Hotplug is out? Finally?

Kick ass! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

MartinZ · 2005-12-05 04:29:02

Cool!! I always hated hotplug, but couln't kick it away from my system.

In the last upgrade i got this:

:: udev conflicts with hotplug. Remove hotplug? [Y/n]

I was very, very happy to see how pacman removed this thing... :twisted:

brain0 · 2005-12-05 10:14:19

tpowa wrote:

new udev-076-4 will kill hotplug and pcmcia-cs because now is everything done by udev and hwdetect.

Installed it yesterday on my laptop, looks very nice

Question: pcmciautils still puts some files into /etc/hotplug and /etc/pcmcia, are they really necessary?

iphitus · 2005-12-05 13:32:08

Hope firmware loading via hotplug isnt broken...

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