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#1 2006-02-04 19:43:54

viniosity
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what's obsolete now?

I remember hearing that a particular package had been obsoleted in favor of another one but can't remember which one it is.. I just did a new arch install am wanting to do things right the first time.  Are all these still recommended for a general desktop/laptop install? (gnome/fluxbox/e17)

hwd
hal
dbus
fam
hotplug
portmap

If one is to be replaced can you point me to the new package?

Thanks..

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#2 2006-02-04 20:26:27

Dusty
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Re: what's obsolete now?

hotplug and hwd not necessary, udev takes care of all the hotplugging by itself now.

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#3 2006-02-04 20:28:22

Cerebral
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Re: what's obsolete now?

Dusty wrote:

hotplug and hwd not necessary, udev takes care of all the hotplugging by itself now.

Provided you use kernel >= 2.6.15.
Otherwise hwdetect takes care of the hotplugging. (also dependant on kernel version >= 2.6.something (maybe 14?))
Otherwise otherwise hwd is the best choice.

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#4 2006-02-04 20:30:03

tomk
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Re: what's obsolete now?

hotplug is definitely obsolete, and can be replaced by hwdetect or hwd - hwdetect is recommended. Have a look at this thread in Announcements, and also the News page.

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#5 2006-02-04 20:54:01

stonecrest
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Re: what's obsolete now?

fam will be replaced by gamin in the near future, but i think gamin is still in testing.


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#6 2006-02-04 21:22:05

viniosity
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Re: what's obsolete now?

Ug, ok, so this is the daemons part of my rc.conf:

 Daemons to start at boot-up (in this order)
#   - prefix a daemon with a ! to disable it
#   - prefix a daemon with a @ to start it up in the background
#
DAEMONS=(syslog-ng !pcmcia network portmap fam powersaved netfs crond dbus hal sshd cups acpid)

# End of file

When I boot up it starts hal then starts dbus, starts a few other services, then tries to start dbus (again) and then tries to start hal (again).  My system just sits there while starting hal is [busy] for the second time.

I though I maybe loaded it twice in rc.conf but I don't see it.  Does powersaved load hal/dbus?  Where did I go wrong?

More importantly, is there a way to boot arch (a command from grub maybe?) with a default rc.conf so that I can get back in and edit?  (I am pasting the above using explore2fs from my WinXP partition)

edit: ok, booted into single user mode and got rid of the dbus and hal lines in my rc.conf.  I guess powersaved must be loading those services..

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#7 2006-02-04 22:06:21

pressh
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Re: what's obsolete now?

You can chroot into your arch partition with any linux live cd you have (most likely the arch install disc). So you can change your rc.conf that way.

And yes, powersave is starting dbus, hal and acpid

#Check for running dbus, start when not running
        ck_daemon hal && /etc/rc.d/hal start
    ck_daemon acpid && /etc/rc.d/acpid start
        stat_busy "Starting Powersave Daemon"

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#8 2006-02-04 22:09:22

viniosity
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Re: what's obsolete now?

So I can remove acpid too?  It's weird but typing powersave -u will put my system to sleep but pressing the powerbutton only sort of works. (hard drive spins up but no video)  Is this a known issue?  I'm using the latest kernel..

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#9 2006-02-04 22:16:32

pressh
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Re: what's obsolete now?

You can indeed remove acpid from the DAEMONS array, looking at the script (/etc/rc.d/powsersaved).
For the working I don't have any idea as I'm not using it wink

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#10 2006-02-05 02:41:53

Gullible Jones
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Re: what's obsolete now?

stonecrest wrote:

fam will be replaced by gamin in the near future, but i think gamin is still in testing.

It is. I've used it for quite some time though, and not found any problems with it.

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