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rg_arc

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[SOLVED] ntp drift file will not update

I recently changed my settings in /etc/ntp.conf and I removed the drift file and made another empty drift file while in root. I restarted the computer with the new changes and ntpd complains saying "format error frequency file". Should I just point the drift file somewhere else or how can I fix this?

Here is my ntp.conf file: https://ptpb.pw/BLYH

Update: I changed the owner of the file to ntp:ntp and rebooted and it still complains about formatting.

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loafer

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Re: [SOLVED] ntp drift file will not update

Have you tried removing the drift file you created and restarting the daemon so it can create its' own drift file?

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rg_arc

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Re: [SOLVED] ntp drift file will not update

Yes I did try that and I don't have a file there after the reboot. How long do I have to wait before the file is updated/created?

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Re: [SOLVED] ntp drift file will not update

Can you post the output of timedatectl  ?
I want to see if ntpd, or if systemd are handling the time sync.

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rg_arc

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Re: [SOLVED] ntp drift file will not update

Here you go: https://ptpb.pw/xiVy

rg_arc

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Re: [SOLVED] ntp drift file will not update

Can you post the output of timedatectl  ?
I want to see if ntpd, or if systemd are handling the time sync.

That was the issue.

# timedatectl set-ntp 1

That did the trick.

rg_arc

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Re: [SOLVED] ntp drift file will not update

Also, I didn't see this mentioned anywhere in the Wiki. Should I make a new entry in the wiki explaining how to get ntp enabled for timedatectl?

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Re: [SOLVED] ntp drift file will not update

Also, I didn't see this mentioned anywhere in the Wiki. Should I make a new entry in the wiki explaining how to get ntp enabled for timedatectl?

Please.

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Re: [SOLVED] ntp drift file will not update

Also, I didn't see this mentioned anywhere in the Wiki. Should I make a new entry in the wiki explaining how to get ntp enabled for timedatectl?

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd-timesyncd

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rg_arc

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Re: [SOLVED] ntp drift file will not update

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Ne … imedatectl

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Re: [SOLVED] ntp drift file will not update

I think I'll undo that edit. The page you edited is about ntpd, which is a different implementation for NTP than systemd-timesyncd. As such, it is completely unrelated to that article.

I can see why you'd be confused however - that page has lots of unneeded tangents. The command for ntpd is systemctl enable/start ntpd.service

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rg_arc

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Re: [SOLVED] ntp drift file will not update

I don't believe removing my edit is appropriate as this is still related to using NTP. If you read anything in this thread you'll know why I edited that page.

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Re: [SOLVED] ntp drift file will not update

Not sure why people get always as defensive over these things. The command you've added enables systemd-timesyncd. The article in question is about ntpd. Both are different applications. Former has a separate article. If you have a problem with ntpd, simply telling people "use something different" is hardly constructive.

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rg_arc

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Re: [SOLVED] ntp drift file will not update

I think I'll undo that edit. The page you edited is about ntpd, which is a different implementation for NTP than systemd-timesyncd. As such, it is completely unrelated to that article.

I can see why you'd be confused however - that page has lots of unneeded tangents. The command for ntpd is systemctl enable/start ntpd.service

I'm not confused about anything. Just simply enabling the ntpd.service doesn't solve the issue I was having. Read the rest of this thread.

rg_arc

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Re: [SOLVED] ntp drift file will not update

Also, I didn't see this mentioned anywhere in the Wiki. Should I make a new entry in the wiki explaining how to get ntp enabled for timedatectl?

Please.

Can you agree that this needs to be mentioned at least once? Timesync and ntpd are both part of systemd, why would mentioning it on the NTP wiki be an issue?

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Re: [SOLVED] ntp drift file will not update

ntpd is not part of systemd

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Re: [SOLVED] ntp drift file will not update

nevermind.

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rg_arc

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Re: [SOLVED] ntp drift file will not update

Not sure why people get always as defensive over these things. The command you've added enables systemd-timesyncd. The article in question is about ntpd. Both are different applications. Former has a separate article. If you have a problem with ntpd, simply telling people "use something different" is hardly constructive.

I wasn't simply telling people to use something different. Timesync will use NTP ultimately, not the other way around. You are not being constructive by assuming things about my motives. If you want to make a big deal about what wiki goes where then why not mention what I said previously instead of removing it from the wiki and providing a link to systemd-timsync to clarify what is going on. The wiki is far too broad, these details are important for people to understand.

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rg_arc

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Re: [SOLVED] ntp drift file will not update

ntpd is not part of systemd

ntpd.service is and that is what I'm talking about. When the service is on and starts up it uses "/usr/bin/ntpd -g -u ntp:ntp" as the command

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Re: [SOLVED] ntp drift file will not update

What's important here is a clear relation between cause and symptom.

http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/sys … ted.c#n254
http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Softwar … timedated/

Looking at the above, ntpd.service is unrelated to timedated. However, if you enable systemd-timesyncd.service (either manually or through timedatectl) you disable ntpd.service - both services conflict. As such, the ntpd error is no longer visible (as ntpd is not active)

Some googling shows threads like: http://forum.synology.com/enu/viewtopic … 83&t=67370

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rg_arc

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Re: [SOLVED] ntp drift file will not update

Systemd-timesyncd.service is not enabled on my system though, even after a reboot. Timedatectl didn't disable ntpd.service.

          1.238s user@1000.service
           394ms smbd.service
           311ms systemd-modules-load.service
           285ms ntpd.service
           271ms polkit.service
           257ms urxvtd@ominous.service
           257ms systemd-logind.service
           231ms systemd-udevd.service
           210ms alsa-restore.service
           210ms systemd-user-sessions.service
           208ms catalyst-hook.service
           207ms udisks.service
           186ms systemd-journal-flush.service
           179ms systemd-journald.service
           148ms systemd-fsck@dev-disk-by\x2duuid-75cb2cc6\x2da3d4\x2d4b0f\x2d92db\x2dab5929c35f51.service
            96ms systemd-random-seed.service
            96ms systemd-fsck@dev-disk-by\x2duuid-b1c01e02\x2de13b\x2d49b4\x2d9504\x2d9383166957cf.service
            90ms systemd-tmpfiles-setup-dev.service
            90ms systemd-sysctl.service
            78ms systemd-networkd.service
            48ms systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service
            40ms sys-kernel-debug.mount
            40ms systemd-remount-fs.service
            39ms dev-mqueue.mount
            38ms dev-hugepages.mount
            36ms systemd-vconsole-setup.service
            36ms kmod-static-nodes.service
            33ms media-HDD.mount
            32ms systemd-udev-trigger.service
            24ms avahi-daemon.service
            12ms home.mount
            10ms tmp.mount
             4ms systemd-update-utmp.service
             1ms sys-kernel-config.mount

rg_arc

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Re: [SOLVED] ntp drift file will not update

I'd appreciate it if you stopped removing my addition to the wiki. If you have proof that what I put in the wiki is not appropriate then show the proof, otherwise I will keep adding it back.

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Re: [SOLVED] ntp drift file will not update

Eh, if you think threats will achieve anything you're in the wrong.

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Re: [SOLVED] ntp drift file will not update

That wasn't a threat, I am challenging your claims and if you don't have any practical reason/proof that what I put in the wiki is inappropriate then stop removing it.

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Re: [SOLVED] ntp drift file will not update

Post your pstree.

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