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#26 2016-02-05 19:16:37

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Re: [SOLVED] kernels 4.1 to 4.5: System hangs at boot

@Bruinn the hang happens before CLI,  arround (from #19):

displaying 'mounting partitions' / 'Starting Load/Save RFKill Switch Status of rfkill1...'
[OK] Mounted /tmp
[OK] Started Flush Joirnalto Persistent storage
[OK] Created slice system-systemd\xdrfkill.slice
      Starting Load/Save RFKill Switch Status of rfkill1...

I know it's frozen as even <C-Atl-Del> has no effect. Hard reboot required --unless using the laptop to raise a case against Linux when with friends or for "decorative" purpose .


EDIT: latest linux-mainline with 'MODULES="intel_agp i915"' in mkinitcpio.conf and bootcode 'i915.modeset=1' made a booo; jeee! A kernel panic and Call_trace finaly.

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#27 2016-02-06 16:00:42

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Re: [SOLVED] kernels 4.1 to 4.5: System hangs at boot

Well OK. I can't get a kernel >4.0 to boot succesfully on this machine and no one had a succesful clue in months (at least on how to make that useful for e.g. the kernel). Mean I can't run a decent GNU/Linux on this tiny machine that used to run just well. Sounds EOL for Linux on it. Feel uneasy, but wouln'd feel better going on testing more kernels for zaro fruits to anyone. Life says move on.


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#28 2016-03-12 10:50:09

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Re: [SOLVED] kernels 4.1 to 4.5: System hangs at boot

Note that Linux mainline 4.5rc7 have the system hangs like with the other 4.1+ kernels.

I don't want to stay running linux 4.0.7 until the sky falls on my head. Will get OpenMediaVault or Rockstor NAS OS installed (keeping only the kissest) and delete Arch + Fedora from this netbook they can't support. Hopefully will go on making a good job as a small NAS device.

Note: a bit of a strange feeling after six years running Arch on it.


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#29 2016-04-26 12:58:49

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Re: [SOLVED] kernels 4.1 to 4.5: System hangs at boot

Updating: stock kernel 4.5.1 still hangs, but linux-mainline-4.6rc3 boots and runs fine smile


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#30 2016-04-26 18:50:58

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Re: [SOLVED] kernels 4.1 to 4.5: System hangs at boot

i got one of these little lappys as a backup(Acer Aspire One D255).
Different distro, but zen kernel 4.4.6
no problems.
Will post inxi -Fxz from that one

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#31 2016-04-26 18:56:18

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Re: [SOLVED] kernels 4.1 to 4.5: System hangs at boot

inxi -Fxz
System:    Host: crystal-AOD255E Kernel: 4.4.6-zen x86_64 (64 bit gcc: 5.3.0)
           Desktop: Xfce 4.12.2 (Gtk 2.24.23) Distro: Linux Mint 17.3 Rosa
Machine:   Mobo: Acer model: JE02_PT_E v: V3.14(DDR3)
           Bios: Acer v: V3.14(DDR3) date: 01/10/2011
CPU:       Single core Intel Atom N455 (-HT-) cache: 512 KB
           flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 ssse3) bmips: 3325
           clock speeds: max: 1666 MHz 1: 1666 MHz 2: 1666 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel Atom Processor D4xx/D5xx/N4xx/N5xx Integrated Graphics Controller
           bus-ID: 00:02.0
           Display Server: X.Org 1.17.1 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1024x600@60.0hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel IGD
           GLX Version: 1.4 Mesa 10.5.9 Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio:     Card Intel NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1b.0
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.4.6-zen
Network:   Card-1: Qualcomm Atheros AR8152 v1.1 Fast Ethernet
           driver: atl1c port: 5000 bus-ID: 01:00.0
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter>
           Card-2: Qualcomm Atheros AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)
           driver: ath9k bus-ID: 02:00.0
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 250.1GB (4.6% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: WDC_WD2500BEVT size: 250.1GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 15G used: 6.2G (45%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda5
           ID-2: /home size: 91G used: 2.0G (3%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda7
           ID-3: swap-1 size: 3.00GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda6
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 45.0C mobo: N/A
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 158 Uptime: 11 min Memory: 286.3/1990.9MB
           Init: Upstart runlevel: 2 Gcc sys: 5.3.0
           Client: Shell (bash 4.3.111) inxi: 2.2.28

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#32 2016-04-26 22:28:29

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Re: [SOLVED] kernels 4.1 to 4.5: System hangs at boot

Hi don
Yeah, I hope not many hardware are affected by such upstream issue. Also while boxes are similar, your crystal's BIOS is a year newer than my Dell's (latest available). And there are some other diffs: Mobo, RAM (DDR2), CPU release, Ethernet card, DRI framework, init.

  System:    Host: gwenael Kernel: 4.6.0-rc3-mainline i686 (32 bit gcc: 5.3.0) Desktop: N/A Distro: Arch Linux
                                                                                      
  Machine:   Mobo: Dell model: 00D2K7 v: A11                                          
             Bios: Dell v: A11 date: 11/12/2010                                       
  CPU:       Single core Intel Atom N450 (-HT-) cache: 512 KB                         
             flags: (lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 ssse3) bmips: 3326                       
             clock speeds: max: 1667 MHz 1: 1333 MHz 2: 1333 MHz                      
  Graphics:  Card: Intel Atom Processor D4xx/D5xx/N4xx/N5xx Integrated Graphics Controller
             bus-ID: 00:02.0                                                          
             Display Server: X.Org 1.18.3 driver: N/A                                 
             Resolution: 1024x600@60.01hz                                             
             GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Pineview M x86/MMX/SSE2                     
             GLX Version: 2.1 Mesa 11.2.1 Direct Rendering: Yes                       
  Audio:     Card Intel NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller             
             driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1b.0                                    
             Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.6.0-rc3-mainline          
  Network:   Card-1: Realtek RTL8101/2/6E PCI Express Fast/Gigabit Ethernet controller
             driver: r8169 v: 2.3LK-NAPI port: 2000 bus-ID: 05:00.0                   
             IF: ens1 state: down mac: <filter>                                       
             Card-2: Qualcomm Atheros AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)
             driver: ath9k bus-ID: 07:00.0                                            
             IF: wls2 state: up mac: <filter>                                         
  Drives:    HDD Total Size: 160.0GB (44.6% used)                                     
             ID-1: /dev/sda model: ST9160314AS size: 160.0GB                          
  Partition: ID-1: / size: 7.8G used: 3.8G (52%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/dm-1              
             ID-2: /boot size: 467M used: 339M (74%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1          
             ID-3: /home size: 7.8G used: 5.8G (79%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/dm-5          
             ID-4: swap-1 size: 2.15GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/dm-4   
  Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 46.0C mobo: N/A                                
             Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A                                            
  Info:      Processes: 129 Uptime: 51 min Memory: 102.9/2008.5MB                     
             Init: systemd Gcc sys: 5.3.0                                             
             Client: Shell (bash 4.3.421) inxi: 2.2.38

We have an Acer lappy too (Aspire One A0751h-52Bk "Poulsbo"). Made a NAS, using OpenMediaVault stable (Debian Wheezy). Had no issue running kernels >4 on it.
Talking about energy I played a bit with Arch Linux's powersaving features on the Dell; got it back to the battery life it had six years ago at 5-6 hours :-) Now where the Dell really shines is its transportability: fits anywhere incl. a hand and I often turn in back thinking I forgot it somewhere, to realize it's already in my backpack.

PS: That's a pretty big swap partition you made. I find the Mint RAM usage a bit high. Is it stock XFCE or it had some app running?

Last edited by kozaki (2016-04-26 22:30:53)


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#33 2016-04-27 00:22:43

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Re: [SOLVED] kernels 4.1 to 4.5: System hangs at boot

It hardly ever uses swap, i just did the "old school" 1.5X RAM sad
When i switch it to arch i will fix that smile
(It sits in a box on my desk)

PS the RAM usage is stock mint XFCE

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#34 2016-04-27 13:22:15

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Re: [SOLVED] kernels 4.1 to 4.5: System hangs at boot

Ah OK, thanks.
Asked about the RAM as antiX MX (Debian Stable with some antiX magic and XFCE desktop) takes 90 MiB upon boot. Installed it last week on a neighboring lady's AMD 3000 1 GB RAM. Over 200 MiB seems a bit heavy IMO.

The old "1.5X RAM" is, errr, old wink We can even hibernate with swap size << total RAM size. E.g. the Acer netbook here hibernates fine with 0.7 gig swap and 2 gig RAM. And my desktop with a 2 gig swapfile and 4 gig RAM.


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#35 2016-04-27 18:31:31

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Re: [SOLVED] kernels 4.1 to 4.5: System hangs at boot

Just remembered, firefox was running on the arch forums for me to post that hmm
Along with a terminal

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#36 2016-06-13 06:18:40

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Re: [SOLVED] kernels 4.1 to 4.5: System hangs at boot

kozaki wrote:

Updating: stock kernel 4.5.1 still hangs, but linux-mainline-4.6rc3 boots and runs fine smile

I was waiting for the 4.6 kernel to be in the stable repository as I have a Dell inpsirion mini 1011. This little machine did what you just said: hang at boot, starting from kernel 4..
So, yesterday I installed a brand new system, with 4.6-2. Everything seemed fine, until I rebooted. At this point, I had my fingers crossed, but this had no use: the system hang at boot.

What solved my problem, is the this: systemd.restore_state=0 kernel parameter.

I only have sketchy ideas what was going on, but if I am not mistaken, the system sets the state of the backlight before shutting down, and at the next boot, tries to read it back. This is where everything bad happens.
I also don't know, if this will solve your problems too, or this was just a local problem of mine.

I hope I could help.

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#37 2016-06-19 13:34:19

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Re: [SOLVED] kernels 4.1 to 4.5: System hangs at boot

@imsProphet I confirm `systemd.restore_state=0` kernel parameter allows the ARCH kernel to boot the dell mini 1012.
you. made. my. day!
May I ask which kernel(s) did you end up running your snippy little dell 1011 since default kernel started to stop be able to boot --that's almost a full year?


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#38 2016-06-19 14:29:55

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Re: [SOLVED] kernels 4.1 to 4.5: System hangs at boot

kozaki wrote:

@imsProphet I confirm `systemd.restore_state=0` kernel parameter allows the ARCH kernel to boot the dell mini 1012.
you. made. my. day!
May I ask which kernel(s) did you end up running your snippy little dell 1011 since default kernel started to stop be able to boot --that's almost a full year?

I am happy, that I could help! smile

Well, originally it's not mine, so it had a windows 7. Needless to say, it was horribly sloooooooooow. So I decided to install arch.. That's where all the problems started big_smile End of the day, we (my girlfriend and I) did not use it, although I managed to install android something on it. (Don't remember which version, but definitely had a 3.x kernel). As it was not a big pain in my ass, I waited for someone to fix the issue. After your post about the 4.6 kernel, I decided to give it another try. That day went with a lot of google... smile

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#39 2016-07-16 22:46:55

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Re: [SOLVED] kernels 4.1 to 4.5: System hangs at boot

kozaki wrote:

@imsProphet I confirm `systemd.restore_state=0` kernel parameter allows the ARCH kernel to boot the dell mini 1012.
you. made. my. day!
May I ask which kernel(s) did you end up running your snippy little dell 1011 since default kernel started to stop be able to boot --that's almost a full year?


Thanks for all the info. That is a lot of debuging. Where do i add this as a kernel parameter? Will I need to do this every time I get a kernel update?

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#40 2016-07-18 10:35:32

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Re: [SOLVED] kernels 4.1 to 4.5: System hangs at boot

@def01 you can look up here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Kernel_parameters
Please share your hardware specs for others to compare (that box with this boot issue).

EDIT
Some refs on the change behind this:

* There is a new kernel command line option
          "systemd.restore_state=0|1". When set to "0", none of the
          systemd tools will restore saved runtime state to hardware
          devices. More specifically, the rfkill and backlight states
          are not restored.

In https://lwn.net/Articles/587373/
Also https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Ba … ht_service
Please feel free to help define this issue further.

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