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#1 2015-12-08 00:45:11

annyms
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Registered: 2013-07-29
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Why isn't the xinit Package a Part of the xorg Group?

I am new to the forums, so I apologize if this shouldn't have been posted here:

When I do a fresh install of arch it can be annoying to have to type

pacman -S xorg xorg-xinit

instead of merely

pacman -S xorg

but I am more interested to know what the rationale might be for adding this complexity to noobs.

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#2 2015-12-08 06:15:40

ooo
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Registered: 2013-04-10
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Re: Why isn't the xinit Package a Part of the xorg Group?

It's separate package, because it's separate sources upstream as well, ever since xorg went modular.

Furthermore, many users do not require xorg-xinit even though they use xorg, for example if you start X using a display manager like GDM etc.

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#3 2015-12-08 06:49:39

Scimmia
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Re: Why isn't the xinit Package a Part of the xorg Group?

Installing the entire xorg group is really, really dumb anyway.

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#4 2015-12-08 09:20:46

ooo
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Re: Why isn't the xinit Package a Part of the xorg Group?

I realized only now that you're talking about the xorg group, and not xorg-server. It would make sense to me, that xorg-xinit would be part of that group as well.

Nevertheless, as Scimmia already stated, installing the whole xorg group is rather pointless, and will install bunch of drivers and other stuff you probably don't need.

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#5 2015-12-08 23:00:35

karol
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Re: Why isn't the xinit Package a Part of the xorg Group?

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#6 2015-12-09 07:41:42

ayekat
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Re: Why isn't the xinit Package a Part of the xorg Group?

wonder wrote:

nobody should install the xorg group.

I don't consider this a reason not to put it into the Xorg group. For me, there are two reasons for having groups:

  1. To have packages grouped together by "topic" (vim-plugins, kodi-addons, qt5, ...)

  2. To have packages belonging an umbrella project be easy to install together (gnome, kde, mate, ...)

Although installing the xorg group isn't the brightest idea, xorg-xinit is still part of the "Xorg ecosystem".


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#7 2015-12-09 08:43:41

LCvanDinteren
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Registered: 2015-10-27
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Re: Why isn't the xinit Package a Part of the xorg Group?

annyms wrote:

but I am more interested to know what the rationale might be for adding this complexity to noobs.

I don't quite recall where I read this, but Arch users are expected to have some basic linux knowledge.
It is great if 'noobs' want to try Arch and we certainly don't want to scare them off, but we expect them to give some extra effort.
I guess this is one of those things they will need to give some extra effort to.

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