[kde-unstable] Plasma 5.8 LTS beta

arojas · 2016-09-15 15:29:15

Plasma 5.8 beta is now available for testing in the [kde-unstable] repo. See https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.7.95.php for release notes.

Remember that you need to have [testing] enabled. As usual, report packaging issues to bugs.archlinux.org with the [kde-unstable] label, and upstream issues to bugs.kde.org

Xabre · 2016-09-15 20:21:46

Thanks, arojas. All seems stable.
Shame that they went back to that ugly sddm theme. I wonder who gave approval for white text on pretty bright blue background..again.
Not to mention the logout dialog that's barely seen depending on your desktop walpaper (white text on bright background again).
I guess that making your own theme is easier than wasting time at KDE bugtracker filing a bug that won't be fixed.

Last edited by Xabre (2016-09-16 01:59:44)

Ravior · 2016-09-15 20:28:17

Xabre wrote:

Thanks, arojas. All seems stable.
Shame that they went back to that ugly sddm theme. I wonder who gave approval for white text on pretty bright blue background..again.
Not to mention the logout dialog that's barely seen depending you your desktop walpaper (wite text on bright background again).
I guess that making your own theme is easier than wasting time at KDE bugtracker filing a bug that won't be fixed.

Originally, I thought it was suposed to be all black to hide the transitions between the plymouth, login and the splash screen. The anouncement also seem to frame it that way:
https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasm … 8-boot.png
That being said, I'm kind of surprised that the wallpaper is still blue. Does someone knows if that is a bug or I just misunderstood the whole thing?

pb · 2016-09-15 20:37:31

First of all: very thank you, arojas.
The second: is there anyone who use Plasma 5.8beta on wayland? It works? I've tried and only I can see is the black screen

Akuma · 2016-09-16 06:23:12

Just upgraded both my laptop and desktop to it : works perfectly fine, thanks a lot !

It's missing the breeze-plymouth package though, and the new SDDM theme.

pb wrote:

First of all: very thank you, arojas.
The second: is there anyone who use Plasma 5.8beta on wayland? It works? I've tried and only I can see is the black screen

The Wayland session works okay-ish here on my Intel laptop (Bay trail). It's definately useable despite some graphical glitches especially in Plasma panels. The biggest issue is that it gets stuck to a black screen if I log out.

pb · 2016-09-16 06:38:53

I have APU: AMD A6-4455M+Radeon HD 7500G, open source drivers (ati).

Tromzy · 2016-09-16 07:38:24

I also wonder why the SDDM theme is blue while it is supposed to be black.

I tried the Wayland session and it's a disappointement for me : still no multi-monitor support, the behavior of the "Preview windows tooltips" is still weird, the other tooltips slide across the desktop when they appear, Systemsettings still has no icon in the panel, still no "Slide Back" Kwin effect (according to a bug report, it as supposed to be fixed), the plasma panel still has no shadows, etc.

This is NOT what I call on par with X11.

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bootkiller · 2016-09-16 07:38:29

Not working for me.

SDDM shows the loading screen, it stays there for while. Kwin will eventually load, but plasma shell doesn't.
Usually when this happens I still have access to some things, like krunner where I can restart plasmashell, but not this time. Happens on both X11 and Wayland, with the latter showing graphical corruption as well.

AMD RX460 on amdgpu+mesa.

Edit:

Oh, wait. "Remember that you need to have [testing] enabled."
I guess the new frameworks is required. Wouldn't it be better to have all this in the same testing repo?

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arojas · 2016-09-16 07:50:03

Tromzy wrote:

This is NOT what I call on par with X11.

Nowhere it says it's even close to be on par with X11. From the announcement:

we are now at a point where we can ask you to give it a try and report bugs.

So you know what to do...

arojas · 2016-09-16 07:51:33

bootkiller wrote:

I guess the new frameworks is required. Wouldn't it be better to have all this in the same testing repo?

The testing repo is not for prerelease software.

Tromzy · 2016-09-16 07:54:09

arojas wrote:

Tromzy wrote:
This is NOT what I call on par with X11.
Nowhere it says it's even close to be on par with X11. From the announcement:
we are now at a point where we can ask you to give it a try and report bugs.
So you know what to do...

Yes, I started reporting bugs already.

Loose_Control · 2016-09-16 08:48:54

Has anyone startet the new kwin debug console? (just search for kwin in krunner)

On my side i have a strange bug: Its window has no window decoration like kwin is not running.

pepedopolous · 2016-09-16 14:14:59

I was hoping that I could switch to Wayland without needing to change any settings. Not yet...

My X11 font size of 16 looks absolutely tiny on Wayland.
If I increase the font size to 24, it looks the same as X11 but then the window decorations become huge.
Under Wayland, a QT4 application like VLC also has huge fonts but this can be controlled using qtconfig-qt4.
For some reason Yakuake has huge fonts even though it is a QT5 application.
Returning to X11 at this point then results in absolutely enormous fonts for everything.

Surely if X11 handles fonts and DPI differently to Wayland then the config paths should be different so you can safely switch between the two?

P

Xabre · 2016-09-16 14:37:23

I still can't find a video player that works at least decently on Wayland, regardless of the DE. Untill that rather important little bit is solved (read: no crashes, no cpu scorching, no major bugs), Wayland is nowhere near usable for me.
Though, overall improvement of Plasma on Wayland in 4.8 does deserve a lot of credit.

arojas · 2016-09-16 14:55:55

Loose_Control wrote:

Has anyone startet the new kwin debug console? (just search for kwin in krunner)
On my side i have a strange bug: Its window has no window decoration like kwin is not running.

That's by design

Akuma · 2016-09-16 15:49:24

Xabre wrote:

I still can't find a video player that works at least decently on Wayland, regardless of the DE. Untill that rather important little bit is solved (read: no crashes, no cpu scorching, no major bugs), Wayland is nowhere near usable for me.
Though, overall improvement of Plasma on Wayland in 4.8 does deserve a lot of credit.

Did you try mpv ? It works fine for me. The biggest issue being its window isn't decorated but fullscreen and hotkeys work fine.
It takes about ~25% CPU for a 1080p 60 fps youtube stream on my weak Intel Atom (hwdec=vaapi, vo=opengl), which is more or less the same than on X11 with the same settings.

Xabre · 2016-09-16 20:12:29

I actually have. Regardles of plain MPV being pretty basic (compared to all those features that something like Smplayer or VLC have; yes, I'm spoiled), problem is either system freezing completely, or cpu turning into an oven (I have a Haswell based laptop). Seems that Dragonplayer, which is Phonon based, has the least problems, but even then you can't really trust it (regardless of the Phonon backend, you can never be absolutely sure that it'll be able to correctly reproduce the video, nothing new, it's been that way since KDE4 days).
Yes, I'm on kde-unstable, yes, I like playing with fire, but I still need my laptop in a usable state, or at least in very easily fixable state. Wayland is cool, I like it. But it's still not in an usable state for me.

pepedopolous · 2016-09-16 22:37:51

All my Wayland font issues went away when I set the DPI to 96 in System Settings. Had no idea this would be necessary.

KlavKalashj · 2016-09-17 12:34:33

The clock widget in the panel is really small. Design change or bug? http://imgur.com/CQeifwj

nierro · 2016-09-17 14:07:59

@KlavKalashj it seems like a bug as their plasma 5.8 beta presentation image has normal clock: https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasm … ma-5.8.png.
Moreover, clock widget takes way more horizontal space than it should, considering how small text is.
Definitely a bug.

KlavKalashj · 2016-09-17 14:49:23

nierro wrote:

@KlavKalashj it seems like a bug as their plasma 5.8 beta presentation image has normal clock: https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasm … ma-5.8.png.
Moreover, clock widget takes way more horizontal space than it should, considering how small text is.
Definitely a bug.

Seems to be an issue on smaller panels. If I increase the size to "far too fat" the font size is suddenly changed to normal. http://imgur.com/a/aqhCX

Tromzy · 2016-09-17 17:41:28

Speaking of clock, I think the date under the clock is too big now. I liked it more the way it was before.

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