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#1 2006-06-08 09:08:12

CyRiX_BlAcK
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Arch-Update

Arch-Update
It would be handy if we could have a wee program in the taskbar that looks for updates at a regular time thats set by the user.

It can be setup to popup when theres updates, comming up with a list of the updates and a UPDATE NOW button, when clicked it asks for the root password to carry on.

Would be more userfriendly for new users to arch, or for people that dont always remember to keep updated.

Even if it just informed there was updates and went away, so you know to do a -syu.

Your thoughts?

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#2 2006-06-08 09:12:13

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Re: Arch-Update

It would indeed be handy for some users. Users that like a up-to-date system but don't always remember to update.

But, like multiple other pacman-frontends, It should be a non-standard optional package that implements this.

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#3 2006-06-08 09:13:45

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Re: Arch-Update

I would like it, but I do not need the fancy parts. If it shows up when there is updates available and dissappear when I have run a "pacman -Syu" manually, I'm satisfied. It does not need to bee interactive.

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#4 2006-06-08 09:29:36

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Re: Arch-Update

I'd hate it. I want to know what happens when I update my system.


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#5 2006-06-08 09:41:29

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Re: Arch-Update

lessthanjake wrote:

I would like it, but I do not need the fancy parts. If it shows up when there is updates available and dissappear when I have run a "pacman -Syu" manually, I'm satisfied. It does not need to bee interactive.

That would be nice. smile

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#6 2006-06-08 09:50:27

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Re: Arch-Update

nope, I'm sentimental.

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#7 2006-06-08 10:58:21

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Re: Arch-Update

I'm not sure how useful it is. For my system at least, when I pacmaned everyday, there was always something to update. I therefore think it's a given that your system needs updating everyday if you are wishing to keep with the latest versions.

I'm someone who doesn't update on a regular basis, so I wouldn't want to be reminded of that.

Of course, if there was some way to flag security updates, then that would be an interesting prospect.

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#8 2006-06-08 12:42:18

detto
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Re: Arch-Update

I understand most of you that say that this should not be a a part of pacman, and maybe some(many?) of you wont use, BUT how about a seperate package that just extend pacman's functionality?
That would make new users happier and let u happy ^^

sry 4 bad english, ... im used to how i write xD

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#9 2006-06-08 12:43:44

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Re: Arch-Update

Yes, but when you click it you should be presented with a dialogue making note of the changes that would happen and an option to switch to terminal mode


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#10 2006-06-08 15:15:28

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Re: Arch-Update

You can use the RSS feed, then check if a package is installed when found in the feed.  It should be rather quick to make, actually.

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#11 2006-06-08 15:27:18

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Re: Arch-Update

Something I have learned is don't say yuo won't use something that isn't available right now. Eg. I was using Gentoo by the time the Gentoo graphical installer arised so there was this big debate over the forums who wanted it and who hated it. I was standing as an oposing force to the Graphical Installer and manifested in many ways how it was the worst idea ever, when it actually came out I burned the iso and used the Graphical Installer and used it to install my gentoo system, well it was probably the worst installer I've ever used and my point was proven right but I used it although I denied using it several times. wink


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#12 2006-06-10 06:29:13

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Re: Arch-Update

It is possible to write a daemon or a script like that.. but for now, i simplify my updating by putting aur updates, arch updates, and sudoing into one command lol

gksu $HOME/update-system

update-system:

pacman -Syu; aurbuild -us; sleep 3

the reason i use gksu instead of sudo is because i want the root to enter root's password rather than the users to update.. and in case any user isnt able to run sudo.. this will able them to update if theyre root..
the reason for sleep 3 is to check for any errors and make sure everything went fine wink


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#13 2006-06-10 06:51:47

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Re: Arch-Update

No thanks.

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#14 2006-06-10 07:10:22

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Re: Arch-Update

Whats a taskbar??????  lol


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#15 2006-06-10 07:14:21

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Re: Arch-Update

Doesn't paclet do something like this? It's No 26 in this list.

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#16 2006-06-10 09:49:13

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Re: Arch-Update

dont you understand that is impossible for people who use openbox and hate fancy stuff like taskbars and panels... Eg. ME


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#17 2006-06-10 09:53:24

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ScriptDevil wrote:

dont you understand that is impossible for people who use openbox and hate fancy stuff like taskbars and panels... Eg. ME

of course, just in case you didnt realise, there are people who do use panels and taskbars and such

feign shock horror.

besides, i thought openbox had support for systray icons. most (used) WM's do. in some form or another. so yeah, it actually isnt that impossible.

James

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#18 2006-06-10 13:45:19

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iphitus wrote:

besides, i thought openbox had support for systray icons. most (used) WM's do. in some form or another. so yeah, it actually isnt that impossible.

James

If I want to have an icon & all that crap I would install Dapper Drake & be done with it lol


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#19 2006-06-10 14:43:46

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Re: Arch-Update

Mr Green wrote:
iphitus wrote:

besides, i thought openbox had support for systray icons. most (used) WM's do. in some form or another. so yeah, it actually isnt that impossible.

James

If I want to have an icon & all that crap I would install Dapper Drake & be done with it lol

in case you didnt realise, systray icons are useful for things, such as im clients, irc clients, sidenote, klipper..... etc

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#20 2006-06-10 15:31:16

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Re: Arch-Update

look at paclet. its an adesklet that almost does this. it would just need a few changes.

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#21 2006-06-10 19:14:10

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in case you didnt realise, systray icons are useful for things, such as im clients, irc clients, sidenote, klipper..... etc

Windows fluff .... lol (j/k)


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#22 2006-06-10 19:17:09

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Re: Arch-Update

I like the systray to give me an non-intrusive notification of new email messages. Plus I'm used to having the date/time in the corner. I know you can have all those desklets that do this, but for me at least, my desktop is typically totally obscured with my apps.

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#23 2006-06-10 19:26:08

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Re: Arch-Update

Maye I should have posted that I did not like the idea of Arch-update ... prefer to open a term (remember them!) & run pacman from there ...

Now .. if I was warned about updates that is a different thing altogther


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#24 2006-06-11 22:53:37

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Re: Arch-Update

Mr Green wrote:

Maye I should have posted that I did not like the idea of Arch-update ... prefer to open a term (remember them!) & run pacman from there ...

Now .. if I was warned about updates that is a different thing altogther

Did you actually read the first post?

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#25 2006-06-12 06:35:39

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Re: Arch-Update

i think it will bw ok, if there is no need of additional dependency crap for this simple job one can actually cron. Also the thing should be made keeping all users in mind. Like KDE, OpenBox, Gnome, Fluxbox, Sawfish, ... . It cant be a take it or drop it step


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