Openbox Archie

dtw · 2006-08-03 08:37:47

In the next few days I plan to create and release an openbox version of Archie.

Archie is surely in need of some proper testing and feedback and seeing as people are openbox crazy i thought this would be a good carrot to dangle.

I'm not an openbox user so I'm going to need some help setting the environment up (I'd welcome a volunteer actually)!

In addition to this I'd like some suggestions for some essential GUI aps. Most people seem to use a gtk2 env in Openbox so lets stick to gtk2. I think we'll use rezlooks for theme etc and tango for the icons.

In particular we need recommendations for a file manager.

We need to keep the pkg load light. The Openbox option is to allow us to speedily test the Archie framework as opposed to creating a complete solution at this stage.

The areas I am looking for suggestions in are:

Browser/Mail Client/IM/Chat/FTP/Utilities/Editors

There won't be any remove for office or graphical productivity apps.

Please keep your replies quite brief - I expect to read quite a few!

TIA!

Howto link as requested. Don't forget that I need to build a default config!

Mr Green · 2006-08-03 09:32:43

ok 8)

Chman · 2006-08-03 09:46:33

Obconf, Nitrogen, Gtk-chtheme, Firefox, Thunderbird, Gaim, Irssi/xChat, Gftp/FoFF.

That would be good for a basic Openbox install I think, pretty standard, although that's not really what I'm used to.

Mr Green · 2006-08-03 10:12:38

Not sure about nitrogen .... change my bg from menu .... but if its gui you want

fms are a problem Thunar is nice, pcmanfm or Rox at a push

firefox yes ....

obconf

panel well pypanel is what I use but you may want fbpanel...

irrsi ... gui xchat *shivers*

sylpheed-claws maybe :?

What version of OB are/were you thinking of using?

dtw · 2006-08-03 10:15:59

Mr Green wrote:

What version of OB are/were you thinking of using?

You tell me!

icrave · 2006-08-03 10:21:14

Text Editor -> Leafpad.

Mr Green · 2006-08-03 10:24:52

dtw wrote:

Mr Green wrote:
What version of OB are/were you thinking of using?
You tell me!

well.... most of the OB boys are using openbox-cvs....

me I would have thought 3.3-rc2 would do the job.... (waits for flames!)

djpharoah · 2006-08-03 10:26:17

Internet - Firefox
IRC - Irssi
Terminal - URXVT
Editor - Leafpad
Obconf
Obmenu
Pypanel
Openbox - from cvs
File Manager - Thunar

Dtw, lemme know if you need help setting it up.

dtw · 2006-08-03 10:40:30

Maintaining an Archie "flavour" is a simple as maintaining a text file list of pkgs and a customization pkg. Checkout archie-xfce-customization to see how we do that. We can maintain the PKGBUILD in Archie CVS and link externally to the customization pkg. The pkglist gets included in archie-scripts.

I'll do anything to keep Archie going and I think opening it up to let people contribute flavours might work well. I haven't consulted with Ziggy about it yet but I can't see there being a huge problem as long as it's a purely contribution basis i.e. no CVS access

That's just an FYI for all of those who want to get involved.

Back on topic...I really like the look of pcmanfm (except the name), even over thunar. Drag and drop in pcmanfm looks much more intuitive and tbh the thunar interface is pretty lame in productivity stakes!

Is anyone maintaining and openbox-cvs pkg?

Kris · 2006-08-03 10:41:21

I agree with djpharoah, it's some good programs for OpenBox
I use OpenBox-cvs but i think that Openbox 3.3-rc2 is more stable

Kris · 2006-08-03 10:44:40

dtw @
I think that ingvildr is maintaining the Openbox-cvs PKGBUILD on AUR

dtw · 2006-08-03 10:49:38

I'm going to adopt one of them into [community] I think. Which one should it be -devel or -cvs? I think -devel is probably more appropriate. You might even be able to get -devel in unstable.

Mr Green · 2006-08-03 10:53:53

cvs version has all the candy built in...

will test anything that comes out....

USB version is what we want, burning is so 90's

smoon · 2006-08-03 11:05:32

AFAIK CVS has some bugs fixed that are present in 3.3rc2 but as Mr Green already mentioned it also has some new features that are not very well tested yet. But if I'd to choose I would go with CVS.

Edit: I just had a look at ingvildr's PKGBUILD for openbox-cvs in AUR. It looks like it's kinda outdated. For example some (if not all, but I'm not sure) of the functionality of patchy.patch is already in CVS. Also I'm the author of the gtkcolors patch and even though it works without problems for me, other have reported some issues and thus I would not recommend including it.

dtw · 2006-08-03 11:11:07

I think Archie is working on USB...but we got no-one to properly test it I hope we might be able to raise Archie's profile a bit now though and attract more testers.

Mr Green · 2006-08-03 11:14:20

@smoon If we could get Cvs version more stable then it would be the way to go AUR build is waay out of date np to fix

there are plenty of OB users in Arch that would love to help out...& postlogic!

postlogic · 2006-08-03 11:19:37

*cough*

Just go for the openbox3.3-rc2. There are some nice commits to the cvs version, but it might not interest a whole lot of people. (the hideMenuHeader-patch (not committed), for instance, would be unecessary. You'd want to display 'Archie' in the menu ;-) )

And ingvildr's CVS PKGBUILD is outdated. Split gradients has been committed, afaik. I'm running oepnbox-cvs with only the hidemenuheader.patch applied.

My suggestions for apps would be:
Firefox, Thunderbird, X-Chat, Gaim2-beta, nitrogen, obconf/obtuner, gparted (!), gvim, urxvtd/c, leafpad and thunar.

dtw · 2006-08-03 11:27:05

What's nitrogen and why thunar of pcmanfm?

postlogic · 2006-08-03 11:32:06

dtw wrote:

What's nitrogen and why thunar of pcmanfm?

Nitrogen handles backgrounds very well. It's generally easier to use, and you can restore your settings using nitrogen --restore in, say, .xinitrc.

Thunar is lightweight, yet it packs a huge punch. It's very customizable, easy to use, fast, very pretty, already provides good functionality prior to any customization. It doesn't have any plugin functionality, but you can add custom commands for different types of data, templates and stuff like that with practically no hassle at all.

As for pcmanfm, I haven't tried it.

1c3d0g · 2006-08-03 11:33:46

File Manager: Thunar
Openbox configuration: Obconf
Browser: Firefox
E-Mail: Thunderbird
Audio Player: BMPx
Text Editor: SciTE (it has syntax highlighting, tab support etc.)
IRC: X-Chat

Mr Green · 2006-08-03 11:37:18

*cough*

Thunar = xfce yuk!

more features than pcmanfm maybe

obconf may have to be patched to add headless feature :?

obmenu I prefer to use an editor .... more for keys .... but yeah it works ok

plenty of cool pipes out there ....

themes rezza all the way ;-)

Chman · 2006-08-03 12:42:07

postlogic wrote:

It doesn't have any plugin functionality, but you can add custom commands for different types of data, templates and stuff like that with practically no hassle at all.

Hmmm thunar does have a working plugin framework :

http://thunar.xfce.org/plugins.html

Some are available in AUR and Shadowhand's repo.

Else, +1 for Openbox 3.3rc2.

postlogic · 2006-08-03 13:29:27

Chman wrote:

postlogic wrote:
It doesn't have any plugin functionality, but you can add custom commands for different types of data, templates and stuff like that with practically no hassle at all.
Hmmm thunar does have a working plugin framework :
http://thunar.xfce.org/plugins.html
Some are available in AUR and Shadowhand's repo.
Else, +1 for Openbox 3.3rc2.

Perhaps I worded myself wrong. Sorry for that. I am aware of Thunar's plugin framework, however, as of this writing, there are no very useful plugins for it. Atleast not in my eyes. The archive plugin it can use currently only supports file-roller (Xarchiver is on the way, soon).

The only useful plugin is the tagger, which isnt that necessary either. IMHO.

The rest of them are already a part of Thunar..

Gullible Jones · 2006-08-03 13:57:12

Thunar would work fine I think, it does't depend on any XFCE stuff other than exo, is extensible, etc. And its interface is simple and beautiful, something notably lacking in the competition (ROX-filer).

Also, I have some suggestions of my own... You could, for example, use XArchiver to handle archives, I'm pretty sure it doesn't depend on XFCE stuff either.

(On the other hand, archives can be handled with perfect adequacy from the command line, so an archiver is not really necessary.)

For media playing, toss-up between MPlayer and GXine I guess. I've always liked Xine better than MPlayer, and GXine still looks better; on the other hand GXine has struck me as quite unnecessarily piggish (much more so than totem-xine) since a few versions ago, and its browser plugin needs a bit of work (claims it can't play filetypes that it bloody well can). MPlayer might be better, not sure about the browser plugin though, mplayer-plugin as of right now downloads everything it plays to the desktop IIRC. Maybe MPlayer + mozplugger would be better, although someone would have to take up maintainance of mozplugger.

(VLC is out I think, it requires wxgtk (which is huge), doesn't play all that much stuff, its browser plugin isn't that great.)

Mr Green · 2006-08-03 14:14:00

No dude we want mpd ... pympd ...

mplayer for video

Is xine still around lol

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