Why people don't like xfce (apparently)

chrismortimore · 2006-08-28 23:18:24

http://lwn.net/Articles/113895/
Not sure why, but I read this and felt the need to share

chrismortimore · 2006-08-28 23:45:58

Dude, you just ruined tcl/tk for me, now I'm gonna go replace amsn... But I suppose I'm only 20, so I can get away with it But I always just pronounced it x f c e 4, due to not knowing how to pronounce it...

elasticdog · 2006-08-28 23:49:09

I've always said X-F-C-E as well...never even thought of feces.

McQueen · 2006-08-29 00:25:53

If people can get over saying Kubuntu then Xfce should be no big deal.
But yeah, the name sux.

dedhart · 2006-08-29 01:05:00

elasticdog wrote:

I've always said X-F-C-E as well...never even thought of feces.

Same here. I'm just not fond of mice.

noriko · 2006-08-29 19:27:11

first of all, i personally tihnk X,F,C,E id an awsome lightweight gnomish desktop....lighteight gnoem yo umight say, anyway...

this poster "zooko" is clearly a retard, so i will ignore him...

1. I mentally pronounce it "x-feces".

what?!!!! how, ?? :? :? :? :? :?

someone, please..explain ot me, how in hell did s/he come up with, x-feces:? "x-fece" i can understand, but feces??? where's the "s" in xfce????

"...This time I look to see what's between the lines!
I can see, I can see, I'm going blind...
I'm blind... "

hmmm... i wonder, s/he sounds like a poo-fetish-er...

grrrr :x :x

lol

jaboua · 2006-08-29 19:37:43

I also read it as X - F - C - E, but with how the letters are pronounced in norwegian - it can probably be written about "Èks Èf Sé É" if you get it

Gullible Jones · 2006-08-29 23:39:13

I have a few problems with XFCE...

1. Incompatibility with GTK icon themes. This is being worked on in 4.4; however, it is especially annoying in the current beta, since Thunar is compatible with GTK icon themes and doesn't like XFCE ones, while the opposite applies for everything else in XFCE...

2. XFWM is rather slow for its limited role. Not as godawful bad as Metacity, but it seems a bit sluggish for what it does.

3. Media support. There is definitely a shortage of good standalone media players for Linux. XFMedia is nice, but a bit too barebones IMHO, and has no browser support at all.

4. FAM. FAM is buggy. FAM is unmaintained. Same with gamin, although it is perhaps a little less buggy. If the XFCE devs want people to use gamin, they should adopt it.

(Of course, part of the problem was the Gnome and KDE people building support for inotify and kevents right into their applications, instead of using a compatibility layer like gamin, which IMO would make more sense and annoy fewer people. Duh!)

5. The logo. I'm sorry, the rodent just sucks.

But in all truth, I never even thought of "x-feces".

scarney · 2006-08-30 00:53:13

i have no problem with the name xfce. but i do not like the mouse thing, wth is that all about!!!

mucknert · 2006-08-30 06:05:10

What the hell... what is it with you people and names (not meaning each and everyone in this thread, of course)? Ditching TCL/TK because you don't like the name or how it is pronounced? What. The. Hell. Is wrong with you? Same for the guy who wrote that post about XFCE. Do you still wash the cooties off if you touch a girl?

Seriously now. The name should be the last consideration if you chose a piece of software. Imagine people would not use LaTeX because they are afraid of the giggling "You use LaTeX -- hee hee hee." It's equally stupid. Sheesh!

End of rant.

onearm · 2006-08-30 08:02:40

I second your rant, mucknert. Ditching a software only because of its name is one of the dumbest and silliest thing I've ever heard of.

chrismortimore · 2006-08-30 08:56:58

I like the mouse, it's nice to have something cute to look at while you wait for XFCE to load all those KDE services... But after a while I figured if I use KDE services, why not just use KDE... And (as far as I know) they picked the mouse because it's small and lightweight.

And mucknert: depends where I touched her

Sigi · 2006-08-30 09:16:08

chrismortimore wrote:

And mucknert: depends where I touched her

I really like xfce. I pronounce the name x-f-c-e as most others here, even if I pronounce the name "in my head" in my native language: swiss-german.

mucknert · 2006-08-30 11:30:20

chrismortimore wrote:

And mucknert: depends where I touched her

Sorry if that came out wrong. I did not mean you but guys like zooko.

1c3d0g · 2006-08-30 11:56:41

mucknert wrote:

What the hell... what is it with you people and names (not meaning each and everyone in this thread, of course)? Ditching TCL/TK because you don't like the name or how it is pronounced? What. The. Hell. Is wrong with you? Same for the guy who wrote that post about XFCE. Do you still wash the cooties off if you touch a girl?
Seriously now. The name should be the last consideration if you chose a piece of software. Imagine people would not use LaTeX because they are afraid of the giggling "You use LaTeX -- hee hee hee." It's equally stupid. Sheesh!
End of rant.

Well fucking said. :evil:

brazzmonkey · 2006-08-30 14:08:14

this is not just about naming. look at this thing ridiculously called "windows" for instance. such a name doesn't prevent people from using it....
and this feces thing sounds like dyslexia to me...
but i have to admit this xfce name is not very attractive. from wikipedia :

Wikipedia wrote:

The name "Xfce" originally stood for "XForms Common Environment", but since that time Xfce has been rewritten twice and doesn't use the XForms toolkit any more. The name survived, but it is no longer capitalized as "XFce", but "Xfce". The developers' current stance is that the acronym doesn't stand for anything any more. The installer for the Xfce and Slackware-based distro Zenwalk labels the description for Xfce as the "Cholesterol Free Desktop Environment" as Slackware has done in the past.

so maybe it should now be called CFDE. ummmh, not better actually...

chrismortimore · 2006-08-30 16:17:39

mucknert wrote:

Sorry if that came out wrong. I did not mean you but guys like zooko.

Even so, how could I miss a prime joke opportunity like that

soloport wrote:

Imagine an open source C++ compiler named 'f*cktard'. Who would volunteer to make it a success? Who would put it on their resume? Who would even use it? I don't care if it was the best. The name would drive people away, and you know it.

I sure as hell would, just for the humour value Like I used www.f*ckyou.co.uk for my email before they got shut down

mucknert · 2006-08-30 19:17:40

The question is: to who do they matter? To managers? To artists? In short: to people that know zip about technology but rather pay a lot of attention to superficialities -- aesthetics if you want to, propaganda if you are me. The problem is, however, that those people are poison to a healthy process of engineering.

The sole fact that names matter to some people doesn't make it universal that it should be that way or that this is a desired course of action and that is what my rant was all about. Admitting that a claim is true doesn't mean that I want it to be the way it is, do I? Aesthetics matter, that is true. But making it a criteria where it should not be one is clearly a flaw in todays society. In other words: fuck names and think about the potentials of a solution before dumping it for style reasons. It's like dumping your girlfriend because of her haircut -- without telling her you did not like it. Screw style and start to think, damnit!

And to debunk your example: I'd take the Compiler, "fork" it and release it under another name. Problem solved.

archuser · 2006-09-15 20:09:16

I pronounce it X-force. It's the first thing that popped into my head when I saw it. (Then popped out again as something better popped in, know what I mean? aye!!)

I've tried it (on another distro) and it's pretty good. Not too hard on system resources but I fell in love with gnome.

Romashka · 2006-09-15 22:19:58

It's not a problem for me to pronounce Xfce as X-F-C-E. Same way I pronounce XHTML and other abbreviations. The only problem for me is WYSIWYG.

tomfitzyuk · 2006-09-15 23:22:46

I've never needed to pronounce it. I just look at the word and associate it with the WM

However, I'd just pronouce it as X-F-C-E.

syamajala · 2006-09-16 00:02:55

x face.

postlogic · 2006-09-16 02:03:24

I have not read anything in this thread. I only read the title.

Oh, any I'm drunk.

However, judging from the title, I wish to make a single point. A point which will blow your frikkin minds.
And I will even make it a poem. Of sorts.

OH TEH WM. OH TEH DESKTOP ENVIRONMENT.
DOES IT MATTER WHAT TASTE? WHY YES!
EACH TO THEIR OWN! LEAVE IT!

Thank you.

Mr Green · 2006-09-16 06:30:02

bravo.....

poetofnumbers · 2006-09-16 17:17:05

soloport wrote:

Oh, come on. Words are instruments of meaning. You can't escape that fact or you wouldn't be able to understand what I'm writing, here.

I recommend a heavy dose of Lenny Bruce.

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