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#1 2022-06-09 17:21:11
- stlab
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[SOLVED] Weird date format in ls -la for pl_PL.UTF-8
Hi,
I am playing with Arch as I want to leave Ubuntu and its snap nonsense. I have problem with weird date format in ls -la output.
Output in Ubuntu
drwxr-xr-x 38 root root 4096 maj 18 19:57 .
drwxr-xr-x 281 root root 12288 maj 22 13:14 ..
drwxr-xr-x 14 root root 4096 maj 1 18:09 Adwaita
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 lip 31 2020 default
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 lip 31 2020 DMZ-Black
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 lip 31 2020 DMZ-White
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 maj 1 18:12 gnomeOutput in Arch
drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 66 06-08 22:58 .
drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3906 06-09 09:01 ..
drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 222 06-08 19:50 Adwaita
drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 22 06-08 19:50 default
drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 34 06-08 22:58 gnomeLANG variables have the same values in both systems
LANG=en_US.UTF-8
LC_TIME=pl_PL.UTF-8
LC_ALL=
LANGUAGE=
Why I can't see the short name of months in Arch as in Ubuntu?
Last edited by stlab (2022-06-10 06:19:52)
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#2 2022-06-09 17:33:20
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#3 2022-06-09 18:30:11
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Re: [SOLVED] Weird date format in ls -la for pl_PL.UTF-8
alias ls='ls --color=auto'Both on Ubuntu and Arch
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#4 2022-06-09 18:36:11
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Re: [SOLVED] Weird date format in ls -la for pl_PL.UTF-8
Did you generate the pl_PL.UTF-8 locale on Arch?
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#5 2022-06-09 18:57:16
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Re: [SOLVED] Weird date format in ls -la for pl_PL.UTF-8
Yes, exactly as described here - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/locale
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#6 2022-06-09 19:45:19
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Re: [SOLVED] Weird date format in ls -la for pl_PL.UTF-8
locale
locale -a
echo $TIME_STYLEOffline
#7 2022-06-09 20:12:35
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Re: [SOLVED] Weird date format in ls -la for pl_PL.UTF-8
locale
LANG=en_US.UTF-8
LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_NUMERIC=pl_PL.UTF-8
LC_TIME=pl_PL.UTF-8
LC_COLLATE="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_MONETARY=pl_PL.UTF-8
LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_PAPER=pl_PL.UTF-8
LC_NAME="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_ADDRESS="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_TELEPHONE="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_MEASUREMENT=pl_PL.UTF-8
LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_ALL=locale -a
C
C.UTF-8
de_DE.utf8
en_US.utf8
pl_PL.utf8
POSIXecho $TIME_STYLEOffline
#8 2022-06-09 20:32:10
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Re: [SOLVED] Weird date format in ls -la for pl_PL.UTF-8
Does
LC_TIME=C ls -laget you a normal date format?
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#9 2022-06-09 21:01:21
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Re: [SOLVED] Weird date format in ls -la for pl_PL.UTF-8
Yes,
export LC_TIME=en_US.UTF-8
ls -la
total 0
drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 66 Jun 8 22:58 .
drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3906 Jun 9 09:01 ..
drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 222 Jun 8 19:50 Adwaita
drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 22 Jun 8 19:50 default
drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 34 Jun 8 22:58 gnomeexport LC_TIME=C
ls -la
total 0
drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 66 Jun 8 22:58 .
drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3906 Jun 9 09:01 ..
drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 222 Jun 8 19:50 Adwaita
drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 22 Jun 8 19:50 default
drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 34 Jun 8 22:58 gnomeexport LC_TIME=de_DE.UTF-8
ls -la
total 0
drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 66 8. Jun 22:58 .
drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3906 9. Jun 09:01 ..
drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 222 8. Jun 19:50 Adwaita
drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 22 8. Jun 19:50 default
drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 34 8. Jun 22:58 gnomeOffline
#10 2022-06-09 21:34:33
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Re: [SOLVED] Weird date format in ls -la for pl_PL.UTF-8
Edit: I can reproduce with pl_PL... see the following response by seth
Last edited by progandy (2022-06-09 21:39:27)
| alias CUTF='LANG=en_XX.UTF-8@POSIX ' | alias ENGLISH='LANG=C.UTF-8 ' |
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#11 2022-06-09 21:36:00
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Re: [SOLVED] Weird date format in ls -la for pl_PL.UTF-8
The polish locale indeed has this format
http://translationproject.org/PO-files/ … pre1.pl.po
http://translationproject.org/PO-files/ … 1.90.pl.po
Search for "TRANSLATORS: ls output needs to be aligned for ease of reading"
"Why" the translator chose this format, I've no idea - but ubuntu might have patched this downstream.
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#12 2022-06-10 06:18:42
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Re: [SOLVED] Weird date format in ls -la for pl_PL.UTF-8
ok, I'm guessing these lines I can blame for
#: src/ls.c:793
msgid "%b %e %H:%M"
msgstr "%m-%d %H:%M"I have made a quick test with Live CD of Fedora 36 and Debian 11 with the same results as on Arch. It seems Ubuntu has been patched.
seth, thanks a lot for the deep investigation.
The good news is that not my fault 
Is it possible for me to submit the bug ticket somewhere so the maintainers of translation could explain why they have choosen such a weird format?
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#13 2022-06-10 06:24:08
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Re: [SOLVED] Weird date format in ls -la for pl_PL.UTF-8
http://translationproject.org/team/pl.html
Mailing list or coreutils translator directly, I guess (don't know their etiquette)
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#14 2022-06-10 13:39:31
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Re: [SOLVED] Weird date format in ls -la for pl_PL.UTF-8
addendum: in case this results in a patriotic battle over the proper time format, you can just export TIME_STYLE (check the ls manpage) to enforce a preferred format.
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