[SOLVED] I want to have a pure wayland system

MAYBL8 · 2023-07-04 13:15:51

Ok guys thanks for sticking in here with me on this.

There is allot to go through so let me first start with addressing Seth's issues.

I did not have nvidia installed .
So I installed it and drm was not set.
Got through that:

[demo@archlinux ~]$ sudo cat /sys/module/nvidia_drm/parameters/modeset
[sudo] password for demo:
Y

[root@archlinux demo]# lsmod | grep nvidia_drm
nvidia_drm             94208  4
nvidia_modeset       1556480  2 nvidia_drm

I noticed that after i installed nvidia and before drm was working everything was taking longer to start.
After drm everything started instantly. By everything I mean applications like alacritty, browser, dolpin, etc.

Also after installing drm and nvidia I tried startplasma-wayland in tty and still hangs but ctrl c gets me back and I can still toggle back and forth from tty1 to tty 3

Ok next post will deal with the strace work.

MAYBL8 · 2023-07-04 13:23:51

I create the web page
http://ix.io/4zJn

ly is no longer installed. I am just using sddm.

Let me know if you want me to install ly again.
Thanks

seth · 2023-07-04 13:32:31

The session-status from an SDDM login doesn't help, the relevant context is when you're trying to start plasma from the console.

MAYBL8 · 2023-07-04 13:38:47

Sorry didn't understand you wanted it from tty
Here it is
http://ix.io/4zJt

3beb6e7c46a615a · 2023-07-04 13:43:39

I'm sorry to interject, but I skimmed the thread and started wondering what this TTY exercise is for. As far as I understood the previous posts, at some point the you could launch a Plasma Wayland session from sddm?

If it's just about getting sddm onto wayland (just guessing from the thread title), that's just a matter of configuration. Sddm supports wayland since the last release.

The wikipage on sddm has the corresponding instructions.

seth · 2023-07-04 13:49:44

Why is the tty a pts?

MAYBL8 · 2023-07-04 13:57:00

Maybe I didn't understand.
I was running tty by doing CTRL-ALT-F3 after logging in with sddm.

Do I need to to jump to tty before I use sddm?

Trilby · 2023-07-04 14:03:09

Your steps are appropriate, but the loginctl output for "TTY:" doesn't make sense. And whatever's causing that oddity is almost certainly the cause of the other problems (I'd speculate that perhaps startkde is actually running, but under a pty somewhere else ... prehaps nested under the running plasma session launched from sddm). After you Ctrl-Alt-F3 (and log in to the tty) what is the output of `tty`?

Another good test, too, would be to try `startplasma-wayland` from a tty without sddm running at all (and no other graphical session running at all). It's possible (due to reliance on dbus) that the "new" plasma session actually connects into the existing one (this would be a bug / design flaw, but it would be a *very* common design flaw of much modern software).

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MAYBL8 · 2023-07-04 14:19:12

OK you guys are too fast for me.
I'm trying to keep up.

First at the sddm login screen I jumped to tty without logging in and I got this

archlinux login:demo
Password:
Last login Tue Jul 4 09:51:06 on pts/0
[demo@archlinux ~]$ startplasma-wayland
org.kde.startup: "kdeinit5_shutdown" () exited with code 255
startplasma-wayland: Shutting down...
startplasmacompositor: Shutting down...
startplasmacompositor: Done

I then ran the loginctl command and generated this page:
http://ix.io/4zJA

After logging in and CTRL-ALT-F3 I get:

/dev/pts/0

seth · 2023-07-04 15:11:25

Try to only boot the multi-user.target, 2nd link below.
But I really don't like that your tty's are all pts, please post your complete system journal for the boot:

sudo journalctl -b | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io

MAYBL8 · 2023-07-04 15:18:41

Here is this:
http://ix.io/4zK6

I will next work on the multi user target

MAYBL8 · 2023-07-04 15:26:49

I think we have success finally.

I ran the command to set the multiuser target.
Rebooted
Was sitting at a tty screen with a login prompt.

Ran startplasma-wayland and was int plasma.

Yea

Now what do i do or what command would you like me to run?
Thanks

Trilby · 2023-07-04 15:39:26

MAYBL8 wrote:

Now what do i do or what command would you like me to run?

If that was successful, what need is there to do anything else? Is this how you want to run plasma, or what else are you looking for?

It sounds like the previous problems were due to SDDM running. There's some curiosity making me want to know exactly how SDDM screwed things up in that way, but it's not much of a surprise to me that it did: DMs primary reason for existence is to break things in very odd ways.

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MAYBL8 · 2023-07-04 15:50:55

Trilby wrote:

MAYBL8 wrote:
Now what do i do or what command would you like me to run?
If that was successful, what need is there to do anything else? Is this how you want to run plasma, or what else are you looking for?
It sounds like the previous problems were due to SDDM running. There's some curiosity making me want to know exactly how SDDM screwed things up in that way, but it's not much of a surprise to me that it did: DMs primary reason for existence is to break things in very odd ways.

So my subject was I want to have a pure wayland system.
If after all of this there is nothing else to do then I am fine with that. I will start playing around with other wayland testing.

Since I have this system running I don't mind testing anything you want. I don't know if I am one of the few Arch users doing this so I don't mind being a guinea pig.

With the system starting this way I will run a script to launch startplasma-wayland.
See about removing SDDM since I'm not using it.

Thanks to all for the help . I will mark this [SOLVED] unless you want me to keep it open.

Ferdinand · 2023-07-05 03:52:19

Mark it solved, MAYBL8 - you touched on a lot of stuff here, that may be helpful for others too, especially since you're most likely not alone in pursuing a pure Wayland system

In your endeavours, I recommend checking out Wayfire too - it's cool, with flaming windows and stuff

Trilby · 2023-07-05 04:03:09

I've had "pure wayland" for over 2 years. There's not much to it, just don't install X-anything (unless you cound xkbcommon).

seth · 2023-07-05 05:26:15

Out of curiosity, is the tty still a pts when not starting SDDM?

MAYBL8 · 2023-07-05 11:54:35

tty is tty now

http://ix.io/4zOb

millus · 2025-12-22 08:34:34

MAYBL8 wrote:

I feel so intimidated to ask questions here because I am trying to learn but then get yelled at if I don't do the right thing or know everything.

Haha bro don't worry about this! I know what you mean, when you are new here you may sometimes get the feeling like some fascist inquisitor is on the other end who's insiniuating that you must be a lazy pig wasting everyone's time despite you having been googling and reading stuff for 5 h using up a LOT of time to work around things that just don't work out of the box as you'd expect them to because you forgot to attach internal spaceship log #3.5.AC-7n. But that's just a misconception because of the difference in mindset of a newbie and ppl who have seen it all and do it as daily routine. Don't worry tho and just carry on, people are actually really helpful and you got a bunch of pros here, unlike on many other forums, we all went through the process.

I'd specifically recommend the two imo greatest ppl on these forums who not only know Arch inside out and try to help everyone but are also great at handling fragile newbs as they will always be supa chill even if you make sloppy mistakes ^^: V1del and seth.

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Lone_Wolf · 2025-12-22 09:59:05

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