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After another update, problem described here persists, but now I cannot simply downgrade the mesa packages anymore, since there are dependencies between the new mesa package and llvm etc.
It's frustrating, firefox is the only application that won't work anymore, there are no other issues with applications (like blender) that rely on mesa (OpenGL support).
This is what firefox tells me when starting from the command line:
[GFX1-]: RenderCompositorSWGL failed mapping default framebuffer, no dt
[drtebi@jupiter ~]$ firefox
ATTENTION: default value of option mesa_glthread overridden by environment.
ATTENTION: default value of option mesa_glthread overridden by environment.
[GFX1-]: Couldn't sanitize GL_RENDERER "PITCAIRN (radeonsi, , LLVM 18.1.8, DRM 2.50, 6.9.7-arch1-1)"
ExceptionHandler::GenerateDump cloned child ExceptionHandler::WaitForContinueSignal waiting for continue signal...
9046
ExceptionHandler::SendContinueSignalToChild sent continue signal to child
Exiting due to channel error.
Exiting due to channel error.
Exiting due to channel error.
Exiting due to channel error.
Exiting due to channel error.
Exiting due to channel error.
Exiting due to channel error.
Exiting due to channel error.
Exiting due to channel error.
The line starting with "GFX1-" hasn't appeared in the previous crashes. Maybe that's a clue?
Any help is greatly appreciated!
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DDG results suggests this could be related to vaapi, let's check that.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Hardwa … ing_VA-API
What is the output of vainfo ?
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Thanks for trying to help. Here is my output of vainfo:
Trying display: wayland
Trying display: x11
vainfo: VA-API version: 1.21 (libva 2.22.0)
vainfo: Driver version: Mesa Gallium driver 24.1.3-arch1.1 for PITCAIRN (radeonsi, , LLVM 18.1.8, DRM 2.50, 6.9.7-arch1-1)
vainfo: Supported profile and entrypoints
VAProfileMPEG2Simple :VAEntrypointVLD
VAProfileMPEG2Main :VAEntrypointVLD
VAProfileVC1Simple :VAEntrypointVLD
VAProfileVC1Main :VAEntrypointVLD
VAProfileVC1Advanced :VAEntrypointVLD
VAProfileH264ConstrainedBaseline:VAEntrypointVLD
VAProfileH264ConstrainedBaseline:VAEntrypointEncSlice
VAProfileH264Main :VAEntrypointVLD
VAProfileH264Main :VAEntrypointEncSlice
VAProfileH264High :VAEntrypointVLD
VAProfileH264High :VAEntrypointEncSlice
VAProfileNone :VAEntrypointVideoProc
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I will go through suggestions on the page you linked to.
When I run
mpv --hwdec=auto movie.mkv
I get one missing library info, could that be a clue?
Cannot load libcuda.so.1
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Well, no luck so far. radeontop did not show anything helpful when firefox crashed.
What I do notice is, that it crashes whenever a page is using some WebGL related features, which appears to be also the case for Google Maps.
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vainfo looks normal.
I get one missing library info, could that be a clue?
Cannot load libcuda.so.1
No, that only works on nvidia proprietary driver.
Please goto https://get.webgl.org/ . Do you see a spinning cube ?
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Please goto https://get.webgl.org/ . Do you see a spinning cube ?
Nope, Firefox crashes immediately.
If I do test other OpenGL examples (like the gear thingy that opens in its own window), it's all fine. Blender also runs fine, which I am sure relies heavily on OpenGL.
The link to the hardware video acceleration did unfortunately not help—as a matter of fact, videos (YouTube, Vimeo) run just fine.
Firefox just crashes when there is some WebGL feature going on on a website it seems... like the examples here: https://webglsamples.org/ make Firefox crash immediatly.
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That suggests vaapi is working as intended and the problem is with WebGL .
look up the value of webgl.disabled in about:config , it should be false .
Then goto about:support and scroll down to the graphics section .
What is shown for WebGL 1 Driver Renderer and WebGL 2 Driver Renderer ?
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The value for webgl.disabled is false.
In about:support I have the following:
WebGL 1 Driver Renderer AMD -- PITCAIRN (radeonsi, , LLVM 18.1.8, DRM 2.50, 6.9.7-arch1-1)
[...]
WebGL 2 Driver Renderer AMD -- PITCAIRN (radeonsi, , LLVM 18.1.8, DRM 2.50, 6.9.7-arch1-1)
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Between those two "," you are missing your GPU identifier (for example, for my RX 6750 XT I get "navi22":
WebGL 2 Driver Renderer AMD -- AMD Radeon RX 6750 XT (radeonsi, navi22, LLVM 18.1.6, DRM 3.57, 6.9.7-200.fc40.x86_64)
PITCAIRN seems to be a 2012 GPU. Maybe being a bit old needs something tweaked to make it work.
You could also try starting Firefox with a new profile to make sure no configuration is interfering.
$ firefox -P
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There's another odd thing in those lines : DRM 2.50
Are you using the radeon kernel module ?
Please post the outputs of
$ lspci -knn
$ pacman -Qs xf86-video
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I have the same issue after updating mesa to 24.1.
❯ lspci | grep VGA
0b:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Cape Verde PRO [Radeon HD 7750/8740 / R7 250E]
WebGL 1 Driver Renderer
AMD -- VERDE (radeonsi, , LLVM 18.1.8, DRM 2.50, 6.9.8-arch1-1)
WebGL 2 Driver Renderer
AMD -- VERDE (radeonsi, , LLVM 18.1.8, DRM 2.50, 6.9.8-arch1-1)
❯ pacman -Qs xf86-video
local/xf86-video-amdgpu 23.0.0-2 (xorg-drivers)
X.org amdgpu video driver
❯ lspci -knn
00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse Root Complex [1022:1480]
Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:8808]
00:00.2 IOMMU [0806]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse IOMMU [1022:1481]
Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:8808]
00:01.0 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse PCIe Dummy Host Bridge [1022:1482]
00:01.1 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse GPP Bridge [1022:1483]
Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:8808]
Kernel driver in use: pcieport
00:01.2 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse GPP Bridge [1022:1483]
Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:8808]
Kernel driver in use: pcieport
00:02.0 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse PCIe Dummy Host Bridge [1022:1482]
DeviceName: Onboard IGD
00:03.0 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse PCIe Dummy Host Bridge [1022:1482]
00:03.1 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse GPP Bridge [1022:1483]
Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:8808]
Kernel driver in use: pcieport
00:04.0 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse PCIe Dummy Host Bridge [1022:1482]
00:05.0 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse PCIe Dummy Host Bridge [1022:1482]
00:07.0 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse PCIe Dummy Host Bridge [1022:1482]
00:07.1 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse Internal PCIe GPP Bridge 0 to bus[E:B] [1022:1484]
Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:8808]
Kernel driver in use: pcieport
00:08.0 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse PCIe Dummy Host Bridge [1022:1482]
00:08.1 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse Internal PCIe GPP Bridge 0 to bus[E:B] [1022:1484]
Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:8808]
Kernel driver in use: pcieport
00:14.0 SMBus [0c05]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH SMBus Controller [1022:790b] (rev 61)
Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:87c0]
Kernel driver in use: piix4_smbus
Kernel modules: i2c_piix4, sp5100_tco
00:14.3 ISA bridge [0601]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH LPC Bridge [1022:790e] (rev 51)
Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:87c0]
00:18.0 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Matisse/Vermeer Data Fabric: Device 18h; Function 0 [1022:1440]
00:18.1 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Matisse/Vermeer Data Fabric: Device 18h; Function 1 [1022:1441]
00:18.2 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Matisse/Vermeer Data Fabric: Device 18h; Function 2 [1022:1442]
00:18.3 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Matisse/Vermeer Data Fabric: Device 18h; Function 3 [1022:1443]
Kernel driver in use: k10temp
Kernel modules: k10temp
00:18.4 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Matisse/Vermeer Data Fabric: Device 18h; Function 4 [1022:1444]
00:18.5 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Matisse/Vermeer Data Fabric: Device 18h; Function 5 [1022:1445]
00:18.6 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Matisse/Vermeer Data Fabric: Device 18h; Function 6 [1022:1446]
00:18.7 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Matisse/Vermeer Data Fabric: Device 18h; Function 7 [1022:1447]
01:00.0 Non-Volatile memory controller [0108]: Samsung Electronics Co Ltd NVMe SSD Controller 980 (DRAM-less) [144d:a809]
Subsystem: Samsung Electronics Co Ltd Device [144d:a801]
Kernel driver in use: nvme
Kernel modules: nvme
02:00.0 USB controller [0c03]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] 500 Series Chipset USB 3.1 XHCI Controller [1022:43ee]
Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. ASM1042A USB 3.0 Host Controller [1b21:1142]
Kernel driver in use: xhci_hcd
Kernel modules: xhci_pci
02:00.1 SATA controller [0106]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] 500 Series Chipset SATA Controller [1022:43eb]
Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. ASM1062 Serial ATA Controller [1b21:1062]
Kernel driver in use: ahci
02:00.2 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] 500 Series Chipset Switch Upstream Port [1022:43e9]
Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device [1b21:0201]
Kernel driver in use: pcieport
03:00.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device [1022:43ea]
Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device [1b21:3308]
Kernel driver in use: pcieport
03:01.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device [1022:43ea]
Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device [1b21:3308]
Kernel driver in use: pcieport
03:02.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device [1022:43ea]
Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device [1b21:3308]
Kernel driver in use: pcieport
03:03.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device [1022:43ea]
Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device [1b21:3308]
Kernel driver in use: pcieport
03:04.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device [1022:43ea]
Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device [1b21:3308]
Kernel driver in use: pcieport
03:08.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device [1022:43ea]
Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device [1b21:3308]
Kernel driver in use: pcieport
03:09.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device [1022:43ea]
Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device [1b21:3308]
Kernel driver in use: pcieport
07:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8211/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller [10ec:8168] (rev 06)
Subsystem: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller [10ec:8168]
Kernel driver in use: r8169
Kernel modules: r8169
0a:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8211/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller [10ec:8168] (rev 15)
Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Onboard RTL8111H Ethernet [1043:8677]
Kernel driver in use: r8169
Kernel modules: r8169
0b:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Cape Verde PRO [Radeon HD 7750/8740 / R7 250E] [1002:683f]
Subsystem: PC Partner Limited / Sapphire Technology Device [174b:a001]
Kernel driver in use: radeon
Kernel modules: radeon, amdgpu
0b:00.1 Audio device [0403]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Oland/Hainan/Cape Verde/Pitcairn HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 7000 Series] [1002:aab0]
Subsystem: PC Partner Limited / Sapphire Technology Device [174b:aab0]
Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel
Kernel modules: snd_hda_intel
0c:00.0 Non-Essential Instrumentation [1300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse PCIe Dummy Function [1022:148a]
Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:8808]
0d:00.0 Non-Essential Instrumentation [1300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse Reserved SPP [1022:1485]
Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:8808]
0d:00.1 Encryption controller [1080]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse Cryptographic Coprocessor PSPCPP [1022:1486]
Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:8808]
Kernel driver in use: ccp
Kernel modules: ccp
0d:00.3 USB controller [0c03]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Matisse USB 3.0 Host Controller [1022:149c]
Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:87c0]
Kernel driver in use: xhci_hcd
Kernel modules: xhci_pci
0d:00.4 Audio device [0403]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse HD Audio Controller [1022:1487]
Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:87fb]
Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel
Kernel modules: snd_hda_intel
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https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/AMDGPU … K)_support
pitcairn is a southern island, xf86-video-amdgpu will currently not be in use but will become when you switch the kernel module.
An alternative approach would be to use xf86-video-ati, but the amdgpu stuff is probably better tested.
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There's another odd thing in those lines : DRM 2.50
Are you using the radeon kernel module ?
Please post the outputs of
$ lspci -knn $ pacman -Qs xf86-video
I believe I am using the radeon kernel module... I thought I should?
Anyway, here the output of lspci -knn:
00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor DRAM Controller [8086:0c00] (rev 06)
Subsystem: Super Micro Computer Inc Device [15d9:0653]
Kernel driver in use: hsw_uncore
00:01.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor PCI Express x16 Controller [8086:0c01] (rev 06)
Subsystem: Super Micro Computer Inc Device [15d9:0653]
Kernel driver in use: pcieport
00:14.0 USB controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset Family USB xHCI [8086:8c31] (rev 05)
Subsystem: Super Micro Computer Inc Device [15d9:0653]
Kernel driver in use: xhci_hcd
Kernel modules: xhci_pci
00:16.0 Communication controller [0780]: Intel Corporation 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset Family MEI Controller #1 [8086:8c3a] (rev 04)
Subsystem: Super Micro Computer Inc Device [15d9:0653]
Kernel driver in use: mei_me
Kernel modules: mei_me
00:19.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation Ethernet Connection I217-V [8086:153b] (rev 05)
DeviceName: Intel Ethernet i217V #1
Subsystem: Super Micro Computer Inc Device [15d9:153b]
Kernel driver in use: e1000e
Kernel modules: e1000e
00:1a.0 USB controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset Family USB EHCI #2 [8086:8c2d] (rev 05)
Subsystem: Super Micro Computer Inc Device [15d9:0653]
Kernel driver in use: ehci-pci
00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset High Definition Audio Controller [8086:8c20] (rev 05)
Subsystem: Super Micro Computer Inc Device [15d9:0653]
Kernel modules: snd_hda_intel
00:1c.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port #1 [8086:8c10] (rev d5)
Subsystem: Super Micro Computer Inc Device [15d9:0653]
Kernel driver in use: pcieport
00:1c.3 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port #4 [8086:8c16] (rev d5)
Subsystem: Super Micro Computer Inc Device [15d9:0653]
Kernel driver in use: pcieport
00:1c.5 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port #6 [8086:8c1a] (rev d5)
Subsystem: Super Micro Computer Inc Device [15d9:0653]
Kernel driver in use: pcieport
00:1c.6 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port #7 [8086:8c1c] (rev d5)
Subsystem: Super Micro Computer Inc Device [15d9:0653]
Kernel driver in use: pcieport
00:1c.7 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port #8 [8086:8c1e] (rev d5)
Subsystem: Super Micro Computer Inc Device [15d9:0653]
Kernel driver in use: pcieport
00:1d.0 USB controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset Family USB EHCI #1 [8086:8c26] (rev 05)
Subsystem: Super Micro Computer Inc Device [15d9:0653]
Kernel driver in use: ehci-pci
00:1f.0 ISA bridge [0601]: Intel Corporation Z87 Express LPC Controller [8086:8c44] (rev 05)
Subsystem: Super Micro Computer Inc Device [15d9:0653]
Kernel driver in use: lpc_ich
Kernel modules: lpc_ich
00:1f.2 SATA controller [0106]: Intel Corporation 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset Family 6-port SATA Controller 1 [AHCI mode] [8086:8c02] (rev 05)
Subsystem: Super Micro Computer Inc Device [15d9:0653]
Kernel driver in use: ahci
00:1f.3 SMBus [0c05]: Intel Corporation 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset Family SMBus Controller [8086:8c22] (rev 05)
Subsystem: Super Micro Computer Inc Device [15d9:0653]
Kernel driver in use: i801_smbus
Kernel modules: i2c_i801
00:1f.6 Signal processing controller [1180]: Intel Corporation 8 Series Chipset Family Thermal Management Controller [8086:8c24] (rev 05)
Subsystem: Super Micro Computer Inc Device [15d9:0653]
Kernel driver in use: intel_pch_thermal
Kernel modules: intel_pch_thermal
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Curacao XT / Trinidad XT [Radeon R7 370 / R9 270X/370X] [1002:6810]
Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:04a1]
Kernel driver in use: radeon
Kernel modules: radeon, amdgpu
01:00.1 Audio device [0403]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Oland/Hainan/Cape Verde/Pitcairn HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 7000 Series] [1002:aab0]
Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:aab0]
Kernel modules: snd_hda_intel
03:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation I210 Gigabit Network Connection [8086:1533] (rev 03)
DeviceName: Intel Ethernet i210IT #2
Subsystem: Super Micro Computer Inc Device [15d9:1533]
Kernel driver in use: igb
Kernel modules: igb
04:00.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Tundra Semiconductor Corp. Device [10e3:8113] (rev 01)
Subsystem: Super Micro Computer Inc Device [15d9:0653]
05:01.0 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: C-Media Electronics Inc CMI8788 [Oxygen HD Audio] [13f6:8788]
Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Virtuoso 200 (Xonar D2) [1043:8269]
Kernel driver in use: snd_virtuoso
Kernel modules: snd_virtuoso
05:03.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394) [0c00]: Texas Instruments TSB43AB22A IEEE-1394a-2000 Controller (PHY/Link) [iOHCI-Lynx] [104c:8023]
Subsystem: Super Micro Computer Inc Device [15d9:0653]
Kernel driver in use: firewire_ohci
Kernel modules: firewire_ohci
06:00.0 USB controller [0c03]: Renesas Technology Corp. uPD720202 USB 3.0 Host Controller [1912:0015] (rev 02)
Subsystem: Super Micro Computer Inc Device [15d9:0653]
Kernel driver in use: xhci_hcd
Kernel modules: xhci_pci
07:00.0 SATA controller [0106]: ASMedia Technology Inc. ASM1061/ASM1062 Serial ATA Controller [1b21:0612] (rev 01)
Subsystem: Super Micro Computer Inc Device [15d9:0653]
Kernel driver in use: ahci
And of pacman -Qs xf86-video:
local/xf86-video-amdgpu 23.0.0-2 (xorg-drivers)
X.org amdgpu video driver
local/xf86-video-ati 1:22.0.0-2 (xorg-drivers)
X.org ati video driver
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https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/AMDGPU … K)_support
pitcairn is a southern island, xf86-video-amdgpu will currently not be in use but will become when you switch the kernel module.An alternative approach would be to use xf86-video-ati, but the amdgpu stuff is probably better tested.
Your clue and Lone_Wolf's question about me using the radeon driver solved the problem!
I followed the instructions that you linked to: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/AMDGPU … K)_support
regenerated the initramfs and now the WebGL aquarium is working
@welqd: You appear to have the same problem, try the instructions above to solve it.
Thanks a lot guys!
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