NTFS partitions acting wierdly

CodingFox · 2024-08-12 11:54:10

I have a 2 disk configuration on my PC. One SSD disk has Windows 11 installed and nothing else. My other hard disk has Arch Linux and an NTFS partition that I use from Windows and from Linux. Everything was working fine yesterday, but today, when I try to mount it from Dolphin, it gives this error:
"An error occurred while accessing 'CodingFox', the system responded: The requested operation has failed: Error mounting /dev/sdb7 at /run/media/codingfox/CodingFox: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb7, missing codepage or helper program, or other error"
GParted mount option is grayed out. When I format the disk again, it works, but then stops working again. This is not a hardware issue, everything works fine with ext4.

cryptearth · 2024-08-12 13:04:25

don't use ntfs on linux!
if you want a partition for data exchange between windows and linux use exfat

seth · 2024-08-12 15:20:46

an NTFS partition that I use from Windows and from Linux

NTFS or exFAT or anything else, 3rd link below. Mandatory.
Disable it (it's NOT the BIOS setting!) and reboot windows and linux twice for voodo reasons.

The FS is most likely marked dirty as result and won't be mounted by ntfs3 (while ntfs-3g would likely be more lenient)
You can fix that w/ chkdsk from windows but that still doesn't mean you can somehow hibernate windows (directly or via "fast start") and run linux and then even access a factually active filesystem.

zaxdan69 · 2024-08-13 08:39:50

I always have problems with ntfs partitons, especially with ntfs3 kernel driver, which very often corrupt them. So I avoid using it and I'm using btrfs instead which can be recognized by windows with the "winbtrfs". I'm using it about a year now for 3-4 partitions and I never had an issue.

cryptearth · 2024-08-13 10:45:59

IDK how much winbtrfs changed over the years - last time I touched it was before win10 was even announced - but if you feel risky you can also give zfs a try: https://github.com/openzfsonwindows/openzfs
anyway - note: my proposal about using exfat is just to EXCHANGE data between windows and linux - with copy files from exfat to an os-appropriate FS like ntfs/refs on windows or any posix fs on linux - don't use exfat as active storage - that doesn't work - and so doesn't btrfs or zfs neither

CodingFox · 2024-08-14 11:13:21

No. I use it as a data partition. Do you have any idea of a file system that works perfectly on windows and linux?

CodingFox · 2024-08-14 11:15:08

seth wrote:

an NTFS partition that I use from Windows and from Linux
NTFS or exFAT or anything else, 3rd link below. Mandatory.
Disable it (it's NOT the BIOS setting!) and reboot windows and linux twice for voodo reasons.
The FS is most likely marked dirty as result and won't be mounted by ntfs3 (while ntfs-3g would likely be more lenient)
You can fix that w/ chkdsk from windows but that still doesn't mean you can somehow hibernate windows (directly or via "fast start") and run linux and then even access a factually active filesystem.

Do you mean ntfs3g will mount a dirty partition? GParted said that you HAVE to run chkdsk/f.

cryptearth · 2024-08-14 13:38:04

CodingFox wrote:

No. I use it as a data partition. Do you have any idea of a file system that works perfectly on windows and linux?

there is none! you can use exfat rather safe to exchange data - but it doesn't work as proper data partition
I'm on this journey for several years now - it does not work - end of story
yes, there're drivers to access foreign filesystems - like btrfs and zfs on windows or ntfs on linux - but in thier current state they're mostly for just reading data - writing data always comes with the risk of corruption
aside from that: the permission stuff is very different - on linux a file has an owner and a group and a simple set of permissions to read, write and execute for the owner, the group and everyone else
windows' ACLs are WAY more complex as permissions can granted on per-user and per-group basis along with there's usually no group but only an owner - unix can't handle this - and the windows drivers can't really translate this crap to the posix filesystems they provide access to
th best option: don't use local file storage but a nas and mount it via SMB

seth · 2024-08-14 14:06:48

Do you mean ntfs3g will mount a dirty partition?

It'll ignore some flags, yes - and you absolutely should not rely on this and
1. fix the FS w/ chkdsk
2. disable windows fast start

Neither NTFS nor FAT are usable POSIX filesystems (FAT isn't a real filesystem at all) - both can be used for data transfer between windows and linux (minding the caveats)
What you absolutely can NOT do is to open a filesystem from two OS at the same time, which is what happens when you hibernate one (what "fast-start" actually is) to boot the other.

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NTFS partitions acting wierdly

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