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traibr

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[CLOSED] Arch GNU/Linux (coreutils) vs. Rust/Linux (uutils)

Hey,

This is a query more than anything else...

Can you build a GNU/Linux system without Rust in present date with desktop environment (server's not a problem), & when I mean without Rust, I mean completely? & if so which forks or direction should we look too?

Rich

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cryptearth

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Re: [CLOSED] Arch GNU/Linux (coreutils) vs. Rust/Linux (uutils)

https://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
did it a while ago - doesn't required rust
learned: proper package management is the key today

traibr

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Re: [CLOSED] Arch GNU/Linux (coreutils) vs. Rust/Linux (uutils)

https://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
did it a while ago - doesn't required rust
learned: proper package management is the key today

Yeah I've done it with my blfs system... I was just wondering if destro's would or will accommodate the idea when it comes to none maintenance intensive systems LOL

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seth

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Re: [CLOSED] Arch GNU/Linux (coreutils) vs. Rust/Linux (uutils)

ReligiOS, I guess…

You can build the kernel w/o rust by not building any subsets that utilize rust.

CONFIG_RUST_IS_AVAILABLE=n
CONFIG_RUST=n
CONFIG_HAVE_RUST=n

There's plenty of userspace code written completely w/o rust (also because it was written before there was rust) - some developer might however have used tools that were written in rust to write non-rust code.
By vegan rules that makes that code a steak… I think.

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traibr

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Re: [CLOSED] Arch GNU/Linux (coreutils) vs. Rust/Linux (uutils)

ReligiOS, I guess…

You can build the kernel w/o rust by not building any subsets that utilize rust.

CONFIG_RUST_IS_AVAILABLE=n
CONFIG_RUST=n
CONFIG_HAVE_RUST=n

There's plenty of userspace code written completely w/o rust (also because it was written before there was rust) - some developer might however have used tools that were written in rust to write non-rust code.
By vegan rules that makes that code a steak… I think.

Kernel is a good start, that actually didn't occur to me to go that deep, but with the intergration stuff, yeah! hmm

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traibr

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Re: [CLOSED] Arch GNU/Linux (coreutils) vs. Rust/Linux (uutils)

Not that I dislike Rust, I'm just being cautious! Ladies/Gents

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traibr

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Re: [CLOSED] Arch GNU/Linux (coreutils) vs. Rust/Linux (uutils)

I have to add to this, rust only get's pulled in (forcefully) when installing mesa, to the best of my knowledge... that was my real postulation

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Re: [CLOSED] Arch GNU/Linux (coreutils) vs. Rust/Linux (uutils)

That sounds incorrect... Definitely not if installing it prebuilt as provided from the repos. Somewhat likely if you're building the entirety of it including the GPU drivers for apple silicon from source for some reason.

traibr

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Re: [CLOSED] Arch GNU/Linux (coreutils) vs. Rust/Linux (uutils)

That sounds incorrect... Definitely not if installing it prebuilt as provided from the repos. Somewhat likely if you're building the entirety of it including the GPU drivers for apple silicon from source for some reason.

I should have added (with tweeking), your right, I had to tweek the f... out of it, 40+ other app's just to get the desired result in the end... hence I'd presume that is almost confirmation, to a degree.

As we all know, it's a cascading effect...

Doing this on Gentoo is very easy... but I'm trying to point out the fact or elude to the problem I see.. I like Arch, don't make me not like Arch... pay attention, "Limitless", the movie - You "Will" be left behind if you do!

"Quality, not quantity"

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traibr

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Re: [CLOSED] Arch GNU/Linux (coreutils) vs. Rust/Linux (uutils)

"THIS IS A VERY SERIOUS DISCUSSION - I'm sick to my teeth of this political BS, or bureaucracy crap, FUCK OFF!!! The Adults are talking now!"

traibr

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Re: [CLOSED] Arch GNU/Linux (coreutils) vs. Rust/Linux (uutils)

Sorry, that was meant for another post... sh't! lol - apologies