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#1 2007-03-04 03:09:05

berkus
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ProAudio repository for Arch users

Here goes the proaudio repository, I'm putting in there the programs I built for myself on my Arch testing machine, in hope it will be useful for some other people.

The PKGBUILDs are taken from AUR or made by yours truly. All PKGBUILDs I make I try to upload to AUR and keep them updated, if you spotted some missing - do tell.

The url - http://arch.madfire.net/proaudio/i686/
Pacman configuration line is contained therein.

If there isn't some audio application and you need it - ask nicely.


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#2 2007-03-04 08:05:43

judfilm
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Re: ProAudio repository for Arch users

Awesome work, well done!

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#3 2007-03-04 11:27:27

clarence
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Re: ProAudio repository for Arch users

Nice. Thanks muchly berkus big_smile


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#4 2007-03-04 11:57:56

Pajaro
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Re: ProAudio repository for Arch users

thanks, berkus

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#5 2007-03-04 16:39:21

Pajaro
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Re: ProAudio repository for Arch users

hi berkus,

why don't you call it simply "proaudio", instead of "berkus-proaudio". There is no other proaudio repo, and since you seem to be doing a good work i don't see any problem in using "proaudio" as the name of th repo.

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#6 2007-03-04 22:23:02

berkus
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Re: ProAudio repository for Arch users

Pajaro, well nice idea. But I wasn't sure if there's any "more proaudio" repos around (i didn't find any at least).

If it's not too much hassle to change your pacman.conf I can rename it smile


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#7 2007-03-05 12:05:06

clarence
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Re: ProAudio repository for Arch users

I got motivated enough to post patchage to AUR http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?d … =1&ID=9668


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#8 2007-03-05 17:20:09

Pajaro
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Re: ProAudio repository for Arch users

good that you post to aur

But, as long as you keep your repo up to date, y will be using it, and more people will smile

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#9 2007-03-07 19:18:48

berkus
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Re: ProAudio repository for Arch users

clarence wrote:

I got motivated enough to post patchage to AUR http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?d … =1&ID=9668

I had to add libgnomecanvasmm to depends for patchage.

The repo has been renamed "proaudio" and is updated with patchage.

Tell me if there are any other packages you wanna see included (I still have a few in my queue here).

Last edited by berkus (2007-03-07 19:20:52)


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#10 2007-03-10 10:48:58

Pajaro
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Re: ProAudio repository for Arch users

It would be good to make a page with a wiki explaining things like:

- How to use VSTs: installation of VSTs with wine -> Quick guide to FST (maybe you could add it to your repo)
- How to enable MIDI: Using soundcard / using virtual synth/sampler.
- Quick guide to record audio with Ardou (aurdour is complex, but to start to use it you only need to know a few things.)
- etc...

This are things that can be done easily, but the information is spread all around, so you need to spend many hours searching on the net.

The idea if this wiki would be to have information to start working. No tutorials. No manuals. Just quick guides and links for extended documentation.

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#11 2007-03-10 13:21:04

berkus
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Re: ProAudio repository for Arch users

I guess this wiki can naturally be somewhere in Arch Wiki.

So I just started it http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ProAudio
Add the links you know, i'll be reorganizing and cleaning up afterwards, don't have time atm.

Last edited by berkus (2007-03-10 13:22:33)


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#12 2007-03-11 00:04:00

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Re: ProAudio repository for Arch users

Hey you seem to know some stuff pll so can you tell me:

1: is there program similar to fruity loops, sony acid, sound forge and maybe even cubase (some prog to use vst's on) on linux or if those progs work in linux.

2: Is only way of using vst's in linux the wine?

3: What is the equivalent of ASIO drivere in linux?

4: Do you need to tweak kernel for music stuff (ie raise kernel to 1000hz for lower latencies whatnot) ?

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#13 2007-03-11 05:02:36

pauldonnelly
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Re: ProAudio repository for Arch users

I think Ardour is currently the most full-featured Linux recording software.

Wine is the only way to use VST effects (if you can even get that to work). LADSPA is the usual way to do Linux plugins.

Jack is the closest thing Linux has to ASIO. It's not exactly the same, of course, but it's the way to do low-latency audio stuff.

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#14 2007-03-11 13:44:46

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Re: ProAudio repository for Arch users

mikko777: get kernel26beyond - it has 1000hz timer


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#15 2007-03-13 12:26:49

clarence
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Re: ProAudio repository for Arch users

Mikko777: the only thing really close to fruity loops is wired. But (and it's a big but) at the moment it's unusable and development is slow. :frowny face:


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#16 2007-03-13 13:41:02

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Re: ProAudio repository for Arch users

to clear some confusion
1)audio drivers like asio -> alsa.  alsa is a very good sound api/driver, with very low latency.
2)jack is an audio server that handles connections to/from devices, software programs, plugins,... and is state-aware. (you can save sessions and use them later on), you can also use jack over a network.  Jack keeps all your devices and software in sync, it's the best way to get low latency (run it in realtime btw!)  It is however not a driver, although you can connect to/from alsa ins and outs.   (qjackctl is a nice frontend for that)
3)afaik there are currently 2 ways to use vst's: dssi-vst and fst. (both use wine)
4)ardour is indeed a great "recording program" . actually it's more of a software multitracker, it's not a composing tool like cubase or sonar, because it doesn't offer midi editing.  This also means you can't use virtual instruments yet (unless you run them in another program (like rosegarden), in sync via jack, offcourse).  However, currently ardour has midi support for controlling/automation.  There is also a midi implementation in the works (thanks to google summer of code 2006) to work with midi tracks (and thus virtual instruments), but this will be implemented *after* 2.0 is released.  And it is still argued whether ardour should contain a midi editor.

Last edited by Dieter@be (2007-03-13 13:42:10)


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#17 2007-03-14 18:43:37

berkus
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Re: ProAudio repository for Arch users

It all has been answered already, but I'll just one bit: getting yourself a realtime patched kernel might help, so that no swap daemon or anything else deciding to write out data or do other silly things will prevent you from hearing a continuous stream of music smile

This takes a bit of effort to set up. See http://rt.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page for pointers to tutorials and manuals (and kernel patches).


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#18 2007-03-15 18:52:36

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Re: ProAudio repository for Arch users

I didn't read the whole thread, but did a quick search for "envy24control". This nice app isn't in [proaudio], and noone seems to ask for it, so here I do. Of course, envy24control is only for people with an envy-driven sound card, so maybe it's too much work for too few people. But just in case it was forgotten... ;-)

Thanks for your contributions!

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#19 2007-03-20 11:44:07

justinsmithies
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Re: ProAudio repository for Arch users

Hey i'd like to help by creating some Arch pro audio apps for this repo...

Also don't you think we should be making a pkg for a realtime kernel , this would help users that are not upto making their own rt kernel.......

I can also provide some space for these pkg's if needed etc....

Let me know what you guys think ????

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#20 2007-03-20 12:09:08

Pajaro
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Re: ProAudio repository for Arch users

justinsmithies,

very good idea! big_smile

So we have to start filling up the wiki with all the information we have. We have to break the pro-audio linux frontier in arch linux.

On a start point i can think of three main parts to have in the wiki:

- Configuration/installation

- Audio recording/editing

- Sequencers/Synths/VSTs

This month i have to rehearse hard with my new band, but i will help as much as i can whenever i get a break smile

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#21 2007-03-23 03:26:50

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Re: ProAudio repository for Arch users

Hey great! I'm just starting to fool around with some recording gear. I have an m-audio delta 1010, some SM audio pre-amps, and a bunch of Shure mics. The box is a pent3 1 ghz which  (unfortunately) is topped out at 768 mb of ram. I'll probably invest in a new box soon. The goal is to be able to record 4 drum tracks, 1 bass and one guitar track, and hopefully two vocal tracks. So far I have set up envy24control, ardour, audacity, and qjackctl. I have the standard kernel, ck and beyond to test with. I see mm is back too, but I have not looked into that yet.  I'm very happy to see a renewed interest in this! I'm in for whatever I can do.

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#22 2007-03-23 08:06:33

Pajaro
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Re: ProAudio repository for Arch users

btartsa,

you don't need audacity. aurdour does much more than audacity does and the effects are non-destructive.

also, audacity only works with oss, not with jack, so it can't work together with any other apps.

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#23 2007-03-23 15:42:44

btartsa
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Re: ProAudio repository for Arch users

pajaro,
thanks for the input...every bit helps because I'm starting from scratch here. I got ardour to record some vocals last night. I'm a bit confused at how patching works though. I started qjackctl, envy24control, and ardour in that order. It seems qjackctl has a patchbay, as does envy24control. It also seems that ardour is obviously working with jack in the background. Can anyone clarify this for me? Also, if this needs to be a separate thread please let me know.

Thanks

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#24 2007-03-23 15:55:43

Pajaro
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Re: ProAudio repository for Arch users

ok, clarification:

ardour depends on jack to work. qjackctl is a frontend fro jack.

so, when working with proaudio you always do this at the beggining:

1st: run qjackctl
2nd: start jack (jack is who actually communicates with the soundcard) from within qjackctl
3rd: start your proaudio apps (in this case, ardour)

you also talk about envy24control. this application is intended to setup your soundcard, so it is independent from jack, and, in consequence, from ardour, because they are in an upper layer.

I don't know what envy24control can do, but whatever your do with it, make sure that you can export it as an audio file.

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#25 2007-03-23 15:58:22

Pajaro
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Re: ProAudio repository for Arch users

btartsa,

it would be nice that once you get clear ideas about your questions you post a clarification to the wiki (or at least in this forum's topic) so that we can clarify the information to people that has a knowledge similar to yours.

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