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I had an interesting issue upgrading today. The xorg module for libinput wanted lua 5.4, which is not the latest version of Lua in the Arch repositories. It would attempt to load several times and fail. The entire system was softlocked as I could not even go to the tty, fortunately I was able to connect over ssh and kill XDM to get a working system again.
I tried building xf86-input-libinput myself with the newer version installed so it would link to 5.5, however, it still wanted the old version. Downgrading did not work either (and broke everything else, of course), I found out this was because one of the symlinks when installing lua 5.4 was missing (specifically liblua5.4.so.5.4):
ls /usr/lib | grep "lua"After creating it I had working input again.
ln -s liblua5.4.so liblua5.4.so.5.4With Lua 5.5, all other links related to 5.4 were gone despite previous versions still being allowed to work. I was able to fix Xorg by creating the symlink above and then symlinking that to the actual library:
ln -s liblua.so liblua5.4.soI'm fully aware this is a stupid bandaid and best left up to the package manager. This is not the "correct" "fix", I'm sharing this incase anyone else had the same problem, because it seems that something was wrong with this upgrade. I didn't identify anything about my system in particular that should have caused this.
To recap, after a complete -Syu upgrade, I ran:
sudo su
cd /usr/lib
ln -s liblua5.4.so liblua5.4.so.5.4
ln -s liblua.so liblua5.4.soto restore control of the X server. This had to be done from a shell or chroot.
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Which version of libinput?
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Which version of libinput?
$ pacman -Q libinput xf86-input-libinput-git
libinput 1.31.1-1
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That's an AUR package you'll have to maintain/update/rebuild yourself when necessary.
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That's an AUR package you'll have to maintain/update/rebuild yourself when necessary.
Yeah, I know that, if you had actually read the posts...
I tried building xf86-input-libinput myself with the newer version installed so it would link to 5.5, however, it still wanted the old version.
was xf86-input-libinput-1.5.0-1
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I checked and the libinput packages now specifically ask for lua54 which is moved to a separate package (???), since I added dd to the update args (pacman can't update aur packages) it ignored this.
What was the reason Lua 5.4 in particular needed to be moved to a separate package?
Last edited by bonkmaykr (2026-04-10 06:39:32)
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Ok, but there's no way the compiler linked libinput_drv.so against a non-existing library when running the compilation. Also lua54 provides liblua.so.5.4 which the repo version of libinput_drv.so links.
Re-install the repo package, then
pacman -Qikk lua lua54 xf86-input-libinput
ldd /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/libinput_drv.soF5ck…
https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/libinput/ has lua54 as dependency, though?
since I added dd to the update args (pacman can't update aur packages)
Can you elaborate on why you used -dd and what that has to do w/ AUR packages?
tl;dr - don't, you'll have to find a better way with whatever that situation is.
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The reason lua54 needed to be moved to a seperate package is exactly the "fix" you applied via band aid. Note the last paragraph in https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/System … nsupported -- soname bumps happen because the new version of a given library has made incompatible changes to it's prior behaviour. Since xf86-input-libinput hasn't had any changes to ensure compatibility with lua 5.5 one needs to keep lua 5.4 around until the necessary changes have happened upstream
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The reason lua54 needed to be moved to a seperate package is exactly the "fix" you applied via band aid. Note the last paragraph in https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/System … nsupported -- soname bumps happen because the new version of a given library has made incompatible changes to it's prior behaviour. Since xf86-input-libinput hasn't had any changes to ensure compatibility with lua 5.5 one needs to keep lua 5.4 around until the necessary changes have happened upstream
I didn't think the other 5.x's I have were already in their own packages, is why I was asking, but they appear to be on second look.
since I added dd to the update args (pacman can't update aur packages)
Can you elaborate on why you used -dd and what that has to do w/ AUR packages?
tl;dr - don't, you'll have to find a better way with whatever that situation is.
Because pacman does not want to break AUR packages by updating their dependencies.
-dd is how I've always gotten around upgrade conflicts during a complete upgrade and it hadn't caused problems until now. Reading man pacman I notice -d still checks package names so this is user error:
-d, --nodeps
Skips dependency version checks. Package names are still checked. Nor‐
mally, pacman will always check a package’s dependency fields to en‐
sure that all dependencies are installed and there are no package con‐
flicts in the system. Specify this option twice to skip all dependency
checks.Is there perhaps a way to disable dependency checks on specific packages from pacman.conf? i.e.
in pacman.conf: somesetting=somepackage1, somepackage2
library breaks dependency required by somepackage 1
barrels along anyway
That wouldn't be another use for IgnorePkg, would it? I don't see it mentioned in the wiki.
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IgnorePkg will prevent the package from being updated, you can run into dependency conflicts if there's a hard dependency on the version (-d) and in any events cause https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Partial_upgrade
pacman does not want to break AUR packages by updating their dependencies.
When updating a package that has version-dependent consumers (AUR or otherwise) those packages will also have to be updated.
IOW you'll have to update and rebuild the AUR package anyway => remove it, update the system, update the AUR package or you'll have *some* ABI incompatibility somewhere (either in the AUR package or a repo package if you stalled the update of the dependency but not the dependent packages)
Blindly ignoring dependencies as general pattern will run you into trouble, regardless of how lucky you might be for a while.
What AUR package is this specifically (maybe the version dependency is spurious)?
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What AUR package is this specifically (maybe the version dependency is spurious)?
Clementine, requires protobuf
IgnorePkg will prevent the package from being updated
I know that, it doesn't answer my question. I wanted to know if IgnorePkg would ignore dependency upgrades that break the ignored package. Would this be a correct use or is there no way to permanently disable dependency checks on specific packages or foreign packages, and only those packages?
I don't want to track dependencies for AUR packages at all if possible, since if they break I am just going to rebuild them anyways. Removing them from my system to make pacman behave is an extra step and probably shouldn't be a requirement.
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https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/clementine has no version bound dependency? (protobuf or otherwise)
You might have to rebuild it w/ protobuf updates but it should™ not impede any updates?
I wanted to know if IgnorePkg would ignore dependency upgrades that break the ignored package.
IgnorePkg will ignore the package for updates - that's it.
If you *have* a package (no matter from where) that would depend on a specific version of another package (which is not the the case w/ clementine) that package will raise a dependency issue if you try to update the package it depends on by version.
Can you post the error you're currently facing when running a proper update w/o ignoring dependencies?
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Thanks for answering my question
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/clementine has no version bound dependency? (protobuf or otherwise)
You might have to rebuild it w/ protobuf updates but it should™ not impede any updates?
You're right... It might have been a different package and Clementine is just what I remembered because it's usually the first thing I notice that needs recompiling when I allow a full upgrade.
As I write this, this is every package I have that was installed locally according to pacman -Qm (for thoroughness, not that I expect you to check all of these):
3dsconv 4.2-1
7-zip-bin 24.08-1
86box 4.2.1-1
86box-debug 4.2.1-1
abaddon-git 0.2.1.r72.g68db143-1
abcde 2.9.3-5
addresses.app 0.4.8-2
addresses.app-debug 0.4.8-2
afterstep 2.2.12-7
alien_package_converter 8.95-5
allegro-git r12074.dbca3d1ea-1
amarok-debug 3.1.1-1
amitools 0.8.0-3
amiwm 0.22pl2+github-1
anamnesis 1.0.4-5
anydesk-bin 6.4.0-3
appstream-qt5 1.0.5-2
arrpc 3.5.0-2
asset-ripper-bin 1.3.1-1
asunder 3.0.1-2
auracle-git r420.f4cebb5-1
auracle-git-debug r420.f4cebb5-1
aurutils 20.3-1
autoconf2.13 2.13-8
azahar 1:2125.0.1-1
basalt-monado-git r503.d55f57a-1
bencodetools 1.0.1-1
binkplayer-bin 2024.05-1
binkplayer-bin-debug 2024.05-1
bisq 1.9.17-1
bless 0.6.3-2
bluez-qt5 5.116.0-2
botan2 2.19.5-2
bridge-utils 1.7.1-3
bwidget 1.10.1-1
casual-pre-loader-git 2.1.0.6.g28d8b44-1
cd-discid 1.4-3
celt-debug 0.11.3-7
chaotic-keyring 20230616-1
cheese 44.1-5
chocolate-doom 3.1.0-1
chocolate-doom-debug 3.1.0-1
chromaprint-fftw 1.5.1-2
clementine-debug 1.4.1+10+gefe886e0a-1
clementine-git 1.4.1.r58.gbae968a2f.0.gbae968a2f-1
clion 1:2025.3.2-1
clion-jre 1:2024.3-1
clion-lldb 1:2025.1.2-1
clutter 1.26.4-3
clutter-gst 3.0.27-5
clutter-gtk 1.8.4-4
cnmatrix 0.0-2
cogl 1.22.8-3
colorpicker 1.0.f5d441a-2
compiz-debug 0.9.14.2-8
crispy-doom 7.0-1
crispy-doom-debug 7.0-1
crowbar 0.74-1
cubeb 20251204-1
cython2 0.29.37-1
cython2-debug 0.29.37-1
davs2 1.7-1.1
ddd 3.4.1-1
debhelper 13.20-1
debtap 3.5.1-1.2
discord-game-sdk 3.2.1-1
duckstation-git 0.1.6937.r184.g226a8ea-1
easyeffects-git 7.2.3.r219.g81f4ff3ee-1
edk2-arm 202508-1
electron32 32.3.1-3
electron33 33.4.8-2
esound 0.2.41-5
ffdec 22.0.0-1
ffnvcodec-headers-11-1 11.1.5.3-1
firefox-nightly 135.0a1+20241129.1+hdd2ffa8af894-1
firestar 1.3.1-1
flite1 1.4-7
foldingathome 8.4.9-1
freeimage 3.18.0-23
ftl-sdk 0.10.1-5
fvwm-debug 2.7.0-5
fvwm3-git 1.1.3.r2.gf94c653ba-1
gallery-dl 1.31.9-1
gamescope-plus-debug 3.14.18.plus1-1
gcc12 12.3.0-6
gcc12-libs 12.3.0-6
gcc13 13.3.1+r432+gfc8bd63119c0-3
gcc13-libs 13.3.1+r432+gfc8bd63119c0-3
gconf 3.2.6+11+g07808097-11
gconf-debug 3.2.6+11+g07808097-11
geocode-glib-2 3.26.4-5
geocode-glib-common 3.26.4-5
gimp-plugin-resynthesizer-git 3.0.r6.gc0f5db4-1
git-blame-someone-else r18.8d854c2-1
gitahead 2.7.0-1
gitahead-debug 2.7.0-1
glib 1.2.10-18
gnumail.app 1.4.0-1
gnumail.app-debug 1.4.0-1
gnustep-back 0.30.0-1
gnustep-back-debug 0.30.0-1
gnustep-gui 0.30.0-1
gnustep-gui-debug 0.30.0-1
gpu-passthrough-manager 1.2-1
gpu-passthrough-manager-debug 1.2-1
gpu-screen-recorder-debug r904.02673c4-1
gpu-screen-recorder-git-debug r852.19d77b8-1
gpu-screen-recorder-gtk r504.e57fd42-1
gpu-screen-recorder-gtk-debug r417.ccd1c79-1
gpu-screen-recorder-gtk-git-debug r388.48d34f5-1
gpu-screen-recorder-notification-debug r37.20e2e0b-2
gpu-screen-recorder-ui-debug r112.5679ab9-1
grantlee 5.3.1-2
greaseweazle 1.23-1
grub-customizer 5.2.5-1
gtk 1.2.10-20
gtk-sharp-2 2.12.45-4
gtk3-classic 3.24.51-2
gtkglext 1.2.0-20
gtkglext-debug 1.2.0-20
gtkspell 2.0.16-9
gzdoom 4.13.2-1
gzdoom-debug 4.13.2-1
haskell-data-array-byte 0.1.0.1-82
higan-git 115.r244.g8f4df0107-1
howl 0.6-2
howl-debug 0.6-2
hplip-plugin 3.25.8-2
hw-probe 1.6.6-3
hyprcursor-git 0.1.12.r3.g45fcc10-1
hyprland-protocols-git 0.6.4.r1.g613878c-1
hyprland-qt-support-git 0.1.0.r9.g4c8053c-1
hyprland-qtutils-git 0.1.4.r2.gb13c748-1
hyprwayland-scanner-git 0.4.5.r0.gfcca0c6-1
hytale-launcher-bin 2026.03.09-1
ida-free 8.4.240527-2
intel-gpa-bin 23.2.1686276958-4
intelxed 2024.05.20-1
jamesdsp 2.7.0-2
kactivities-stats5 5.116.0-1
kchmviewer 8.0-6
kcontacts5 5.116.0-1
kdelibs4support 5.116.0-2
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kdesignerplugin 5.116.0-2
kdesignerplugin-debug 5.116.0-2
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kdoctools5 5.116.0-2
kemoticons 5.116.0-2
kemoticons-debug 5.116.0-2
kfilemetadata5 5.116.0-2
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khotkeys 5.27.10-1
kirigami-addons5 0.11.0-7
kitemmodels5 5.116.0-1
kpeople5 5.116.0-1
kpeoplevcard 0.1-2
kquickcharts5 5.115.0-1
krunner5 5.115.0-4
krunner5-debug 5.115.0-4
kunitconversion5 5.116.0-1
lib32-gst-plugins-base-libs 1.28.1-1
lib32-gstreamer 1.28.1-1
libajantv2-debug 1:17.5.0-1
libakonadi 25.12.3-1
libaribcaption 1.1.1-1
libatrac9-git r22.efca2e3-1
libbacktrace-git r102.g1023a09-1
libbulletml 0.0.6-6
libcheese 44.1-5
libffi7 3.3-3
libgadu 1.12.2-14
libglade 2.6.4-9
libglade-debug 2.6.4-9
libim 3.15-4
libipt 2.1.2-1
libjpeg6-turbo 1.5.3-2
libkcddb5 24.08.0-1
libklvanc-git 1.6.0.r28.g8be53c8-1
libmygpo-qt5 1.1.0-3
libofa 0.9.3-10
libopenshot 0.4.0-12
libopenshot-audio 0.4.0-1
libpng15 1.5.30-1
libpurple 2.14.14-4
libpurple-lurch 0.7.0-2
libqaccessibilityclient-qt5 0.6.0-1
librealsense 2.55.1-1
libsidplay 1.36.59-10
libstrangle 0.1.1-4
libstroke 0.5.1-10
libstroke-debug 0.5.1-10
libsurvive 1.0-4
libtiff5 4.4.0-2
libusrsctp 0.9.5.0-4
libuvc 0.0.7-2
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libzakalwe-git r26.080b054-1
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linux-sched-ext-headers 6.10.3.scx1-1
linuxtv-dvb-apps 1.1.1+rev1500-1
llvm15-libs 15.0.7-3
lua-im 3.15-4
lua51-im 3.15-4
lua52-im 3.15-4
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makemkv 1.18.2-1
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maxx-desktop 2.2.0-7
mbuild 2024.05.05-2
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mksh 59.c-9
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monado 24.0.0-2
mp3tag 3.33.1-1
nedit 5.7-4
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noiz2sa 0.51-1
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nscde-debug 2.3-1
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obconf 2.0.4-8
ocs-url 3.1.0-7.3
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olive 0.1.2-4
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opencv2 2.4.13.7-5
openhmd 0.3.0-1
openshot 3.3.0-2
openssl-1.1 1.1.1.w-2
openvino-git 2024.2.0.r525.g0c999c0e47e-1
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owncast 0.1.3-1
owncast-debug 0.1.3-1
p7zip-gui 16.02-9
panda3d-git r26435.cbb313d732-1
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pantomime 1.4.0-1
pantomime-debug 1.4.0-1
paq8o 9-1
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pcsx2-avx-git 2.3.21.r1.g8e8277c-1
pdflib-lite 7.0.5p3-4
peazip-qt5 9.8.0-1
phonon-qt5 4.12.0-4
phonon-qt5-gstreamer 4.10.0-4
pidgin 2.14.14-3
pixterm 1.3.1-1
plasma-framework5 5.116.0-1
pm2ml 2021.11.20.1-15
po-debconf 1.0.21+nmu1-1
polymc 7.0-2
polymc-debug 6.1-1
powerpill 2021.11-15
prison5 5.116.0-1
protonvpn-gui 1.12.0-1.5
psi-plus-git 1.5.2076.r5036.g4c4109b7-1
psi-plus-mediaplugin-git 1.0.5.175.g478567e-1
psi-plus-plugins-git 1.1.435.g7a65467-1
psi-plus-resources-git 24.05.16.5.gccb159c-1
pulse-vumeter-git 0.11.r2.93721e1-1
pulse-vumeter-git-debug 0.11.r2.93721e1-1
pulsemeeter 1.2.14-1
purpose5 5.116.0-1
pygtk 2.24.0-14
pygtk-debug 2.24.0-14
python-future 1.0.0-1
python-gdbgui 0.15.3.0-3
python-proton-client 0.7.1-2.4
python-protonvpn-nm-lib 3.16.0-1.2
python-pyqt5-webengine 5.15.7-2
python-rx 3.2.0-8
python-valve-parsers 1.1.0-1
python2-cairo 1.19.1-2
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python2-debug 2.7.18-11
python2-gobject2 2.28.7-7
python2-gobject2-debug 2.28.7-7
python2-numpy 1.16.6-3
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python2-pyxdg 0.28-5
python2-setuptools 2:44.1.1-2
python3-memoizedb 2021-15
python3-xcgf 2021-15
python3-xcpf 2021.12-14
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rox 2.11-7
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shine-debug 3.1.1+r59+gab5e352-1
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soulseekqt 20240630-1
spacefm 1.0.6-4
spacefm-debug 1.0.6-4
steamtinkerlaunch 12.12-1.2
stoat-desktop-git 1.3.0.r1.gb57faa2-1
syncplay-git 1.7.4.r17.gdb95264f-1
taglib-extras 1.0.1-8
tcllib 2.0-1
tcltls 1.7.22-1
tidal-hifi-bin 5.17.0-1
tidal-hifi-bin-debug 5.17.0-1
trakker-git 0.5.2.r16.gc4f56bf-1
ttf-ms-fonts 2.0-12
uade 3.05-1
uavs3d-git 1.1.r47.g1fd0491-1
uemacs-git 20180719.r129-1
ufiformat 0.9.9-2
unetbootin 702-2
unetbootin-debug 702-2
unityhub 3.12.1-2
vencord 1.10.7-1
vencord-installer-bin 1.3.1-1
vencord-installer-bin-debug 1.3.1-1
vendor-reset-dkms-git r117.084881c-1
vesktop-debug 1.5.3-4
vgmstream-cli-bin r1980-1
vita3k-git r3664.93759d9cc-1
vita3k-git-debug r3664.93759d9cc-1
vitasdk-git 2.526-1
vkbasalt 0.3.2.10-1
vmware-keymaps 1.0-3.2
vmware-workstation 17.6.1-2
vo-amrwbenc 0.1.3-2
vtfedit 1.3.3-7
webkit2gtk 2.50.5-1
winboat-bin 0.8.7-1
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If you *have* a package (no matter from where) that would depend on a specific version of another package (which is not the the case w/ clementine) that package will raise a dependency issue if you try to update the package it depends on by version.
Can you post the error you're currently facing when running a proper update w/o ignoring dependencies?
I know that it reads like this:
installing thing1 (2.42) breaks dependency 'thing1=2.43' required by thing2
I get no errors currently because the packages that are dependencies of foreign packages don't need updating (clementine allowed itself to break, as you've pointed out). You're asking me to give you logs of something that happened weeks in the past which I don't have a precise date for. They don't appear to be in my pacman.log either. Sorry, but I can't. It looks like I don't know what package is actually doing it... I will let you know when that happens again and see if I should update the offending PKGBUILD accordingly.
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Random note if you're not aware. Strawberry is a maintained fork of clementine that's in the normal repos, might want to switch to that instead for this particular case.
FWIW that list could do with some spring cleaning, there's an amount of packages there that will be completely irrelevant on anything remotely modern (all the old kf5 libs, linux-sched-ext for an old version (the current ones are in the repos and work with all current Arch packaged kernels, higan is pretty much dead, switch to ares, do you really need all these gcc packages,libcheese, old version of 7zip while the new version is in the repos, gtk1...)
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