Oh hay guys! Thinking About Converting to Arch...

Rev. Nathan · 2007-04-21 04:53:06

...again.

I'd ran Arch for 'bout a year solid, but gave it up waiting for updates (I never, ever saw an update for Firefox 2... even weeks after it'd come out!), and went back to Ubuntu.

Since then and now, I've switched to KDE. It was a really hard pill to swallow, having to admit that it was better, but clarity came when I realized all the apps I used were KDE anyways.

Ubuntu is great! They've really put a good-to-go spin on Linux... but it's slow. I remember how quick Arch was. But I never used KDE on it. And KDEers have anything to say?

Also, I need to know if klibido works on it. An essential app for me; was missing libraries the last time I used Arch, and installing the libs conflicted with the whole system! Uninstallable!

I guess that's 'bout it. Here's my reason for bringing this up: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php? … ost2497140

Yeah. I'd rather just back my shit up on an external disk and come back to Arch.

crimson · 2007-04-21 08:46:30

Rev. Nathan wrote:

...again.
Also, I need to know if klibido works on it. An essential app for me; was missing libraries the last time I used Arch, and installing the libs conflicted with the whole system! Uninstallable!
Yeah. I'd rather just back my shit up on an external disk and come back to Arch.

Hello, the klibido package are here:

http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?d … s=0&SeB=nd

Cheers

Btw my first post here. Im quite new to Arch but not Linux in general. All I can say, what a wonderful dist.

Last edited by crimson (2007-04-21 08:47:51)

pelle.k · 2007-04-21 12:03:19

KDE on arch has always been the fastest one for me. I acctually ran Kubuntu for a while (i also converted to kde, although i still like gnome for what it is - simplicity, OSX looks/feeling) and was pleasantly surprised that KDE was fast! It was kinda slow with kubuntu...

I've had no problems with missing libs, and updates is coming in nicely. I figure you just had som bad luck with your previous install?

One advice i can give you is that maybe you should rethink the way you set up arch this time. There's always a diffrent (and sometimes better) way of accomplishing the same result. Maybe you should use powersaved daemon instead of cpufreqd (just an example), or install xorg instead of xf86-video-ati, xorg-input-kbd and xorg-input-mouse (another example) since you may find things work better this way. You might wan't to try the kdm daemon instead of using xinitrc script...
Try following the "arch beginners guide" on the wiki, not because you don't know how to install arch, but because it might give you some insights on alternative methods of setting things up.

Echo · 2007-04-21 13:23:54

Former long time Gnome user, then Fluxbox and finally I'm using KDE. I have never used KDE on Arch or any other distro (can't stand the kblidio, k3b, kate, kwrite konqueror, krusader, klipper.... well you get the idea). Anyway, to the question, KDE works just fine. No problem and it's faster on my desktop than I would have imagined. I've not had any installation problems with apps and KDE whatsoever.

KEcho

Edit: KDEmod may be of some interest to you. You can search for it in the "Desktop" forum here at Arch.

Last edited by Echo (2007-04-21 13:29:17)

equadon · 2007-04-21 13:32:02

I've been switching back and forth between KDE and Gnome now for quite a while, but finally settled for KDE. KDEmod is great with Arch and it's really fast. My laptop runs find with it as well. With the upcoming KDE4, I think it'll become even more popular.

I use klibido on a daily basis and it's better than any GTK alternative I've tried. I have had no issues with conflicting libraries. If you do, post on the forum and I'm sure it's possible to sort out.

rbrownclown · 2007-04-21 15:21:09

I'm a Gnome user. I actually prefer KDE, but the Arch version of it is terrible. You tell pacman to install KDE, and it goes overboard and installs every KDE package known to man. I was using KDEmod for a while (a stripped down version of KDE), but had some bazaar problems that I couldn't figure out.

detto · 2007-04-21 21:02:41

rbrownclown wrote:

I'm a Gnome user. I actually prefer KDE, but the Arch version of it is terrible. You tell pacman to install KDE, and it goes overboard and installs every KDE package known to man.

Then only install 'kdebase', done.

STiAT · 2007-04-21 21:17:53

I'm using KDE, and acutally have to say i don't mind it comes with that many applicaionts. They don't cost performance, nor they make troubles.

Gnome is also a good choice, as XFCE is in my eyes. I dislike E17, but i just didn't get along with it.
Currently, gnome seems to be the clever choice, since the most popular linux companies are pushing the development of gnome ... and watching the gnome development i've to say they're fast.. very fast.

I think none of them are faster or slower (spoken about performance)... at least i couldn't see any difference by using them as a development / production system.

I've chosen kde, for the applications available. I don't get along with the gnome design standards.
Also, to me kde makes a friendlier look.

I'd simply say - make a choice, the choice is yours alone .

Last edited by STiAT (2007-04-21 21:19:10)

Rev. Nathan · 2007-04-22 02:59:01

pelle.k wrote:

KDE on arch has always been the fastest one for me. I acctually ran Kubuntu for a while (i also converted to kde, although i still like gnome for what it is - simplicity, OSX looks/feeling) and was pleasantly surprised that KDE was fast! It was kinda slow with kubuntu...
I've had no problems with missing libs, and updates is coming in nicely. I figure you just had som bad luck with your previous install?
One advice i can give you is that maybe you should rethink the way you set up arch this time. There's always a diffrent (and sometimes better) way of accomplishing the same result. Maybe you should use powersaved daemon instead of cpufreqd (just an example), or install xorg instead of xf86-video-ati, xorg-input-kbd and xorg-input-mouse (another example) since you may find things work better this way. You might wan't to try the kdm daemon instead of using xinitrc script...
Try following the "arch beginners guide" on the wiki, not because you don't know how to install arch, but because it might give you some insights on alternative methods of setting things up.

Thanks, boss. It's been a while... I think I installed Arch .6? At that time, most of the wiki was just outlines and ideas of stuff to be filled in, and I had to follow a tutorial that was outside of archlinux.org. I think I'm going to do this tonight!

Thanks you guys. I'll let you know when I'm on!

Rev. Nathan · 2007-04-22 03:09:16

Yet one more question.

I remember in Arch I could never get CUPS to configure. Is there perhaps a GUI package offered for CUPS, now? Or is one built in KDE?

Lastly, will I be able to "import" setting from kubuntu (as in, copy my xorg.conf, grub boot list, etc to a external drive, and then drop them in the same places in arch and expect the same results)?

Acid7711 · 2007-04-22 03:27:59

I always had trouble with cups on Arch, and really only Arch. dunknow why. However, http://localhost:631 is all you need with the foomatic-db, at least in my experiences is has.

Last edited by Acid7711 (2007-04-22 03:28:36)

pelle.k · 2007-04-22 14:49:15

Yeah, kde has got a module in "kde control center" for configuring cups and adding printers...

You will be able to use your xorg.conf from ubuntu. There _might_ be some differences, so if it doesn't work -> do a "xorgconfig" and then replace certain parts from your ubuntu xorg.conf in your new xorg.conf. The same goes for grub. take the entries about windows/ubuntu and paste them into your existing menu.lst (if you did drop in your ubuntu menu.lst as a replacement, the archlinux entry would not be there as arch wasn't there when you installed ubuntu, so that would not such a great idea... so don't replace the actual file in this particular case. see what i mean?)

Last edited by pelle.k (2007-04-22 14:51:42)

Rev. Nathan · 2007-04-23 03:28:13

Hay kiddos! I'm in!

Pretty easy set up. Got a few nacks, though.

Refresh rate: I can only go up to 60Hz, however, my monitor supports 70. I had this number running in Ubuntu, but even importing my settings from Ubuntu, it doesn't want to opt to 70Hz! Help, please!

klibido: Gives me the error: requires uudeview. Already installed that makepkg! Help!

Firefox/GTK: Firefox is lookin' ugly in all its GTKness. I know in Ubuntu 7 they made it look like it was a KDE package, like it belonged. I'm guessing this exists for Arch?

Thanks again, boys!

hacosta · 2007-04-23 03:45:42

about the firefox theme, install gtk-qt enginge

Rev. Nathan · 2007-04-23 05:10:14

hacosta wrote:

about the firefox theme, install gtk-qt enginge

This didn't do much... now I got the colors of a gtk scheme... but it's still very boxy and out-of-place!

Rev. Nathan · 2007-04-23 08:21:19

OK in RE: to klibido:

It thinks uudeview isn't installed, because it is looking for uudeview.h, but uudeview.c is what's installed. Perhaps uudeview supercedes klibido?

Still also having this horrid refresh rate problem with Xorg

syd · 2007-04-23 08:38:47

Try this theme:
http://gnomelook.org/content/show.php/C … tent=46123

And read this:
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/How … _look_nice

But the gtk-QT engine should work heres the website:
http://gtk-qt.ecs.soton.ac.uk/

lucke · 2007-04-23 08:59:20

Try setting some silly VertRefresh value in xorg.conf - 50 - 135 works for me.

-edit-

I've built klibido without any problem. Perhaps you haven't actually installed uudeview?

If you please, pass me your e-mail address on PM, I'll send you the built package.

Last edited by lucke (2007-04-23 09:05:21)

pelle.k · 2007-04-23 15:51:29

Hey Rev.

About the refresh rate, are you using the exact same vertical/horizontal refresh rates as in the ubuntu xorg.conf? Second, do you run the monitor at the same resolution? Why i ask is because if a higher res is used the refresh rate goes down automatically. So is the default res (the one on the far left in |> Modes "1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" <| ) the same as in ubuntu (or if you changed that default with gnome ubuntu)? (I take for granted you're _completely_ sure 70 hz (at the same res) was what you were using in ubuntu, and not something you "think")

Are your "monitor" choice in |> Section "Screen" <| the same as the "identifier" in |> Section "Monitor" <| ? (The reason i ask this, is because you can have multiple monitor entries, but only one is used in "screen" section.) This is probably not the issue though, since you copied the xorg.conf from ubuntu.

Already installed that makepkg! Help!

Can i just make the assume you forgot to "pacman -A <packagename>" after you ran makepkg -s ? "pacman -Qi uudeview" will show if it's installed.

I find that installing gtk-chtheme to change gtk theme and font sizes makes my gnome apps look pretty again! (there will be no menu entry about it. just run gtk-chtheme).
To have a somewhat "qt-fied" gtk theme, install qtqurve, and it'll install a theme for gtk1, gtk2 _and_ kde3 that look pretty much the same on all of them.

KerowynM · 2007-04-23 17:32:03

Hehehe, at least I'm not alone. I, too, made the switch to KDE recently. While it goes against all my instincts it has proven itself to be the best of the bunch. I may have design principles, but somewhere in there is something about using the best tool for the job...

KDE runs plenty snappy for me on arch, on a 7 year old PC at that.

Welcome back.

Rev. Nathan · 2007-04-25 04:17:15

Alright, to give you a status report. I rereinstalled Arch, after making a "do it before you get in too deep" decision to switch back to ext3, rather than ResierFS (since Ubuntuians say that the FS is much to blame with errors I'd reported before). I don't know what exactly I did different with Xorg, but everything is good. It even lets me set my refresh rate up to 75Hz! I don't know if that's safe or not, but cool nonetheless.

I got CUPS working... pretty simple; you just have to download the driver manually.

Problem: Still can't get klibido to go. Found out that uudeview.h wasn't moving to /usr/include, causing my problem. If I compile klibido manually, this is my output from make:

[nathan@bigrevmedia klibido-0.2.5]$ make
make  all-recursive
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/nathan/Desktop/klibido-0.2.5'
Making all in doc
make[2]: Entering directory `/home/nathan/Desktop/klibido-0.2.5/doc'
Making all in .
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/nathan/Desktop/klibido-0.2.5/doc'
make[3]: Nothing to be done for `all-am'.
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/nathan/Desktop/klibido-0.2.5/doc'
Making all in en
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/nathan/Desktop/klibido-0.2.5/doc/en'
/opt/kde/bin/meinproc --check --cache index.cache.bz2 ./index.docbook
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/nathan/Desktop/klibido-0.2.5/doc/en'
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/nathan/Desktop/klibido-0.2.5/doc'
Making all in po
make[2]: Entering directory `/home/nathan/Desktop/klibido-0.2.5/po'
make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/nathan/Desktop/klibido-0.2.5/po'
Making all in src
make[2]: Entering directory `/home/nathan/Desktop/klibido-0.2.5/src'
/opt/qt/bin/uic -L /opt/kde/lib/kde3/plugins/designer -nounload -o groupWidget.h ./groupWidget.ui
/opt/qt/bin/uic -L /opt/kde/lib/kde3/plugins/designer -nounload -o serversWidget.h ./serversWidget.ui
/opt/qt/bin/uic -L /opt/kde/lib/kde3/plugins/designer -nounload -o NewsGroupForm.h ./NewsGroupForm.ui
/opt/qt/bin/uic -L /opt/kde/lib/kde3/plugins/designer -nounload -o qmgrform.h ./qmgrform.ui
/opt/qt/bin/uic -L /opt/kde/lib/kde3/plugins/designer -nounload -o serverdlg.h ./serverdlg.ui
/opt/qt/bin/uic -L /opt/kde/lib/kde3/plugins/designer -nounload -o prefgenerallayout.h ./prefgenerallayout.ui
/opt/qt/bin/uic -L /opt/kde/lib/kde3/plugins/designer -nounload -o progressdlg.h ./progressdlg.ui
/opt/qt/bin/uic -L /opt/kde/lib/kde3/plugins/designer -nounload -o prefdecodelauyout.h ./prefdecodelauyout.ui
/opt/qt/bin/uic -L /opt/kde/lib/kde3/plugins/designer -nounload -o downloadselectdlg.h ./downloadselectdlg.ui
/opt/qt/bin/uic -L /opt/kde/lib/kde3/plugins/designer -nounload -o catmandlg.h ./catmandlg.ui
/opt/qt/bin/uic -L /opt/kde/lib/kde3/plugins/designer -nounload -o prefviewlayout.h ./prefviewlayout.ui
/opt/qt/bin/uic -L /opt/kde/lib/kde3/plugins/designer -nounload -o prefheaderlayout.h ./prefheaderlayout.ui
/opt/qt/bin/uic -L /opt/kde/lib/kde3/plugins/designer -nounload -o updoptdlg.h ./updoptdlg.ui
/opt/qt/bin/uic -L /opt/kde/lib/kde3/plugins/designer -nounload -o addformdlg.h ./addformdlg.ui
/opt/qt/bin/uic -L /opt/kde/lib/kde3/plugins/designer -nounload -o nzbformdlg.h ./nzbformdlg.ui
if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I/opt/kde/include -I/opt/qt/include -I.  -I/usr/include/db4  -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT  -D_REENTRANT -I/include  -Wnon-virtual-dtor -Wno-long-long -Wundef -Wall -W -Wpointer-arith -Wwrite-strings -ansi -D_XOPEN_SOURCE=500 -D_BSD_SOURCE -Wcast-align -Wconversion -Wchar-subscripts -O2 -Wformat-security -Wmissing-format-attribute -fno-exceptions -fno-check-new -fno-common -fexceptions  -MT main.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/main.Tpo" -c -o main.o main.cpp; \
        then mv -f ".deps/main.Tpo" ".deps/main.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/main.Tpo"; exit 1; fi
nntpthreadsocket.h:237: error: extra qualification 'NntpThreadSocket::' on member 'm_findEndLine'
yydecoder.h:90: error: extra qualification 'yyDecoder::' on member 'charCRC'
make[2]: *** [main.o] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/nathan/Desktop/klibido-0.2.5/src'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/nathan/Desktop/klibido-0.2.5'
make: *** [all] Error 2
[nathan@bigrevmedia klibido-0.2.5]$

And this is the error from the ABS:

/bin/sh ../libtool --silent --tag=CXX --mode=link g++  -Wnon-virtual-dtor -Wno-long-long -Wundef -Wall -W -Wpointer-arith -Wwrite-strings -ansi -D_XOPEN_SOURCE=500 -D_BSD_SOURCE -Wcast-align -Wconversion -Wchar-subscripts -O2 -march=i686 -O2 -pipe -Wformat-security -Wmissing-format-attribute -fno-exceptions -fno-check-new -fno-common -fexceptions   -L/lib  -luu -o klibido -R /opt/kde/lib -R /opt/qt/lib -R /usr/lib -L/usr/lib -L/opt/qt/lib -L/opt/kde/lib  main.o klibido.o grouplist.o serverslist.o newsgroup.o addform.o headerlist.o binheader.o header.o hlistviewitem.o nntpthreadsocket.o queueparts.o qmgr.o addserver.o prefgeneral.o prefdialog.o globals.o availablegroups.o updatedb.o fileviewer.o progress.o prefdecode.o downloadselect.o catman.o prefview.o prefheader.o decoder.o uudecoder.o yydecoder.o updopt.o nzbform.o mylistview.o groupWidget.o serversWidget.o NewsGroupForm.o qmgrform.o serverdlg.o prefgenerallayout.o progressdlg.o prefdecodelauyout.o downloadselectdlg.o catmandlg.o prefviewlayout.o prefheaderlayout.o updoptdlg.o addformdlg.o nzbformdlg.o availablegroups.moc.o queueparts.moc.o mylistview.moc.o  -lkmdi -ldb_cxx -lkdeui -ldb
/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -luu
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[2]: *** [klibido] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/nathan/Desktop/klibido/src/klibido-0.2.5/src'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/nathan/Desktop/klibido/src/klibido-0.2.5'
make: *** [all] Error 2
==> ERROR: Build Failed.  Aborting...
[nathan@bigrevmedia klibido]$

So... any help?

lucke · 2007-04-25 08:53:53

That's peculiar, as it compiles without glitch here. As said before, I can pass you the compiled package.

pelle.k · 2007-04-25 15:54:09

You're _sure_ you installed uudeview? Then this would be a bug, and i suggest you inform the uudeview AUR maintainer.

This is from http://klibido.sourceforge.net/faq.html#_uu

Compile fails with something like "Cannot find -luu"
To correctly compile KLibido, you need /usr/include/uudeview.h and /usr/lib/libuu.a, from the UULib distribution.

So; you're missing /usr/lib/libuu.a

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