x.org 7.3

cybe-arch · 2007-09-02 21:16:41

Hi!

When can i wait the xorg7.3 package in pacmans current repository?

shining · 2007-09-02 21:22:28

right now.

cybe-arch · 2007-09-02 21:40:07

So you mean it is in the repository or that it will come soon?

Right now i have:
xorg 11R7.0-1
xorg-server 1.2.0-5
xorg-server-utils 1.0.4-2

I've read that 7.3 includes version 1.4 of xorg-server and xradr 1.4 (right now mine is 1.1).

I can't see any of these in the testing or unstable repo's.

miggols99 · 2007-09-02 21:41:31

Xorg 7.3 hasn't been released yet. It was supposed to be released on the 29th August, but will now be released on the 5th (Wednesday). It won't take too long to get into the repos (yay no more xorg.conf!!)

Pierre · 2007-09-02 21:43:15

Afaik it will remain in [testing] until this issues are fixed: http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/7920

cybe-arch · 2007-09-02 21:43:20

Thanks for clearing that up miggols99.

Yeah, I can't wait to get rid off xorg.conf

shining · 2007-09-02 22:17:01

Hmm, I still need a xorg.conf with 7.3 . I managed to remove a few sections from it, but that's all. It's not really there yet.
Right, I can start X without it, but it isn't usable, mostly because keyboard layout and FontPaths are wrong. But there are probably other things as well that don't work correctly.

kth5 · 2007-09-03 07:59:51

miggols99 wrote:

Xorg 7.3 hasn't been released yet. It was supposed to be released on the 29th August, but will now be released on the 5th (Wednesday). It won't take too long to get into the repos (yay no more xorg.conf!!)

There's no way xorg-server will do without a xorg.conf yet. There's no way of guessing your preffered keyboard layout on PS/2, DIN etc. No way of guessing what kind of monitor you use if EDID is not readable. DRI normally disabled for some cards that need forcing DRI on startup and such. It's still a long way to go for all these things to be wiped out. Probably, the x86 won't exist anymore by then. Which I personally hope, happens soon.

1311219 · 2007-09-03 17:39:21

Not to mention: when setting up a decent twinview config - that will always require the user to specify a layout.
But the better automatic hardware detection is a good improvement, and will result in simpler xorg.conf files, which will still give the same (good) results as the old (bigger) configs.

shining · 2007-09-03 17:48:23

1311219 wrote:

But the better automatic hardware detection is a good improvement, and will result in simpler xorg.conf files, which will still give the same (good) results as the old (bigger) configs.

Indeed, I hope it'll allow that at least. The current version in testing does not really allow that though.
As I said, FontPaths aren't detected properly, so I had to add this section.
And then, Xorg refused to start, it requires a Device section, and then Screen / Monitor .
I don't have anything special in these sections, and X can detect them fine when xorg.conf doesn't exist.
But after creating a xorg.conf with the correct FontPaths, it didn't want to autodetect these other sections anymore

That said, I just found out this morning that the version in testing is apparently not uptodate :
http://archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev … 01493.html

So maybe that one is better, I didn't try yet, but it's not sure. Maybe it'll have to wait for the next release.

kth5 · 2007-09-04 19:23:03

As described on the arch-dev-public list [1] there now I a repo with the latest prerelease packages for xorg. I wouldn't expect too much from it though and nvidia/ati users wanting to have their binary blobs running are out of luck: both nvidia & fglrx do not work with the latest xorg-server!
What's more, there's a showstopper bug filed [2] to which I'd like everyone make theirs a dependency for this to be solved.

[1] http://archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev … 01493.html
[2] http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/7920

Last edited by kth5 (2007-09-04 19:24:59)

shining · 2007-09-04 19:38:44

Well, I tried it out, and I cant see a difference with the one in testing. I guess thats a good thing, since it already worked fine previously (using intel driver btw).
But what I said about the config above still applies.

kishd · 2007-09-05 08:53:00

Tried out the new xorg today. Hardware intel on-board graphics card (82865G). Compiz benchmark (not very reliable indicator) shot up from 24 to 43 and the entire desktop seems smoother. I used my existing xorg.conf with compz-git. I did not try without and xorg.conf file.

AriciU · 2007-09-05 10:01:24

Where did you get it from? xorg-server 1.3.0 from testing is not new xorg 7.3 witch is supposed to be released today.

kishd · 2007-09-05 10:35:19

Added this repo

[xorg]
Server = http://kth5.telekommunisten.net/xorg/i686

then pacman -Syu

AriciU · 2007-09-05 10:57:33

Weird.

It find it when i pacman -Ss xorg

xorg/xorg-server 1.3.99.2-1
X.Org X servers

but doesn't want to update it when i do pacman -Syu, even though it's newer then the 1.3.0 that i have.

I'll do it manually then.

AriciU · 2007-09-05 11:02:35

Can't install it

pacman -S xorg/xorg-server
resolving dependencies... done.
looking for inter-conflicts... done.
Targets: pixman-0.9.5-1 xorg-server-1.3.99.2-1
Total Package Size: 6.88 MB
Total Installed Size: 17.86 MB
Proceed with installation? [Y/n] y
:: Retrieving packages from xorg...
pixman 183.8K 396.0K/s 00:00:00 [#####################] 100%
xorg-server 6.7M 183.5K/s 00:00:37 [#####################] 100%
checking package integrity... done.
cleaning up... done.
(2/2) checking for file conflicts [#####################] 100%
error: could not prepare transaction
error: failed to commit transaction (conflicting files)
xorg-server: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libwfb.so exists in filesystem
errors occurred, no packages were upgraded.

I'll just wait for the official release i guess...

klixon · 2007-09-05 11:03:25

try

# pacman -S xorg/xorg-server

or placing the xorg-repo above the testing-repo in /etc/pacman.conf

AriciU · 2007-09-05 11:22:10

Works now. Didn't know that the order in the config file matered

AriciU · 2007-09-05 11:33:02

I reinstalled the nvidia driver and couldn't startx with it unfortunately Some strage error witch i can't remember. Had to go back to 1.3.0 xserver and reinstall the older xf86-input-keyboard and mouse driver.

kishd · 2007-09-05 11:44:33

Just removed my xorg.conf file and fired up kde. Everything works including compiz-fusion. Never thought that I would be able to start X without an xorg.conf file.

AriciU · 2007-09-05 11:47:38

Anyone with nvidia drivers having any luck with it? I can't start it? It's complaining about some version mismatches and suggesting that i check nvidia.com for newer drivers... i'm using the latest one.

iphitus · 2007-09-05 11:48:20

Xorg already runs without Xorg.conf, though I generally need to generate one and tweak it so it runs best.

James

Ramses de Norre · 2007-09-05 11:59:44

Xorg from current works without a xorg.conf here too, but with rather conservative settings so I still need a xorg.conf to set some options (and to use fglrx instead of vesa).

fwojciec · 2007-09-05 15:38:18

AriciU wrote:

Anyone with nvidia drivers having any luck with it? I can't start it? It's complaining about some version mismatches and suggesting that i check nvidia.com for newer drivers... i'm using the latest one.

Read the thread from the beginning - you might read something interesting about the latest xorg and proprietary nvidia drivers somewhere along the way

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#1 2007-09-02 21:16:41

x.org 7.3

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Re: x.org 7.3

#3 2007-09-02 21:40:07

Re: x.org 7.3

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