Regarding repository shuffle.

abhidg · 2007-09-14 17:24:39

I just saw this news post on the Arch front page about repository shuffle. This new thing is really interesting; possibly, we could have some script which regenerates packages against a fixed core, so that the core remains stable and we always have new packages? I do prefer the bleeding edge nature of Arch, but this change will probably make it easier for those who run small-scale servers on Arch (like me) to have latest packages without updating the core... just an idea.

What's everyone thinking about this shuffle?

dolby · 2007-09-14 18:02:40

i think u should better post this on the arch mailing list

tomk · 2007-09-14 18:44:37

It can, of course, be discussed both here and on the mailing list - and on IRC also, for that matter.

Not sure what you mean by "fixed core", abhidg - the packages in the new core repository will remain the same, but they will be updated with the same frequency as base/current packages are now i.e. whenever a there is a new stable upstream release.

abhidg · 2007-09-14 18:56:37

What I meant is that someone running a minimal server could stick with a "fixed core" (just by not updating) and use the PKGBUILDs from extra to recompile against that core (if necessary) if they want greater stability. Of course for most normal cases, bleeding edge is fine

tomk · 2007-09-14 19:15:50

OK, that's clear - thanks.

Anonymo · 2007-09-15 01:20:00

how do we know what packages are in core?

mrbug · 2007-09-15 03:15:05

I like the clarity of [core] being the base system and [extra] as the repository for everything else.

Will [community] still exist, or will it be absorbed by [extra]?

Allan · 2007-09-15 04:24:47

Community will still exist. Even though the line between packages in community and extra is about as blurry as between current and extra (if not more). Community packages are those maintained by TUs and not the main Arch devs so that distinction needs maintained.

abhidg · 2007-09-15 06:38:09

I just noticed another thing while doing a pacman -Syu; the new packages have got the -i686 tagged onto them like in [community].

hussam · 2007-09-15 09:28:33

Anonymo wrote:

how do we know what packages are in core?

Most probably the essentials: kernel, initscripts, coreutils, bash, grub, pacman etc..

Lone_Wolf · 2007-09-15 12:17:41

according to the dev-public mailing list core should have what is needed to install arch , and do a pacman -Syu .
So the stuff in base + free network modules, free wlan modules , kernels and support for the main filesystems.

Ndiswrapper will also be included.

low · 2007-09-15 14:40:48

will a new version of pacman be released as well, or do we just need to change the repo names in our /etc/pacman.conf?

shining · 2007-09-15 15:44:34

low wrote:

will a new version of pacman be released as well, or do we just need to change the repo names in our /etc/pacman.conf?

In both cases, I think you'll still need to edit pacman.conf manually.
Unless you never edited pacman.conf , a potential new config will be extracted as .pacnew .

theringmaster · 2007-09-15 17:30:33

how long will this take?

Mardukas · 2007-09-16 11:30:29

:: Synchronising package databases...
 kdemod is up to date
 kofficemod is up to date
 current                   69,8K   49,3K/s 00:00:01 [###########################] 100%

Still current and not core?

Last edited by Mardukas (2007-09-16 11:31:14)

ise · 2007-09-16 12:06:40

Just wait....we will post a news on the frontside...

abhidg · 2007-09-16 12:20:26

It looks the core transition is complete...or nearly so! archlinux.org shows that the packages have been moved to core and extra, and current is gone. The first thing to enter [core] according to the website is bcm43xx-fwcutter-006-1.
However the core section on ftp.archlinux.org is closed [550 failed to change directory error]

I suppose soon we'll have a new pacman to update the paths.
Thanks to the Arch developers for all their hard work!

ise · 2007-09-16 13:32:22

Waiting is over....
The repository shuffle is done. Please read the news announcement on the frontside, as well as the mail on the mailinglist: http://archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev … 01644.html

Daniel

Titus · 2007-09-16 14:22:13

i've tried both

pacman -Sy

and

pacman -Syu

commands but, still there is no core in /etc/pacman.d directory.

ise · 2007-09-16 14:24:38

Wait for your mirror, it takes time for them to sync...

loserMcloser · 2007-09-16 16:44:06

How about abs ?

# abs
Connected to cvs.archlinux.org
Server message: Unknown collection "core"
Skipping collection core/cvs
Finished successfully

ise · 2007-09-16 16:48:43

We know this problem. We are on the way for fixing it....
Be patient.....

Last edited by ise (2007-09-16 16:49:20)

Titus · 2007-09-16 19:37:55

(1/1) upgrading pacman [#####################] 100%
>>> PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING!
>>> Use of the new rankmirrors script on your /etc/pacman.d/ files is
>>> highly recommended. Python is required, and read rankmirrors --help
>>> for details. In addition, mirrors are now listed by country, so
>>> move those that are geographically close to you to the top and
>>> remove the others BEFORE running rankmirrors.
>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<
>>> VERY IMPORTANT <<<
>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<
>>> we have changed our repo layout:
>>> the current repo has gone and has been replaced by the new core repo
>>> IT IS IMPORTANT TO CHANGE THE ENTRIES FOR THE CURRENT REPO TO CORE REPO
>>> IN YOUR /etc/pacman.conf !!!
>>> to keep on getting updates. this is also important to satisfy dependencies
>>> of new packages in extra repo.

Everything seems well now.

lanrat · 2007-09-17 02:45:22

loserMcloser wrote:

How about abs ?

# abs
Connected to cvs.archlinux.org
Server message: Unknown collection "core"
Skipping collection core/cvs
Finished successfully

It's quite easy to change the configs in /etc/abs. You can copy supfile.arch to supfile.core, change "arch" to "core" (also do the same in supfile.testing) and change arch to core in abs.conf. I deleted /var/abs subdirectories (except local) and run abs. Everything has been recreated nicely.

BTW don't be surprised that *.core file is red in mc :-)

defcon · 2007-09-17 04:03:21

*narf* yesterday it works, und today i get this:

Fehler: failed retrieving file 'core.db.tar.gz' from ftp.archlinux.org : Protocol error

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