distrowatch removed the top 20 (or so) distributions list?

theringmaster · 2007-10-17 02:37:58

I don't seem to see it anymore???????

what happened?

kensai · 2007-10-17 02:42:30

So strange, and I visited it before, and now that you mentioned it I did notice. So is true. But, I don't know why. Would be interesting to know what happened.

.:B:. · 2007-10-17 02:48:41

I think it's for the better, actually. It was getting tampered with. Some distros incited users to 'vote' for them on Distrowatch.

stonecrest · 2007-10-17 04:53:07

http://distrowatch.com/stats.php?section=popularity still works

theringmaster · 2007-10-23 02:21:55

it's weird it came back just when the ubuntu's came out....hmmmmm

Allan · 2007-10-23 03:03:34

Read why this happened in the weekly newsletter ( http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20071022 ). It was a quite interesting experiment

hussam · 2007-11-14 03:19:06

Here is a proof Distrowatch fakes 'Page Hit Ranking'.

1. ArchLinux today has 388HPD with a down arrow because it's decreasing from yesterday's average of 396. Bare in mind that 388 is an average over the last "6 months".
2. Now change the view to average of last 7 days (this is the weekly average). You'll find that Arch had 423HPD as an average over the last 7 days.

Eventually if you maintain a constant weekly average of 423, the "last 6 months" average should eventually converge to the weekly average of 423 as time tends to infinity. This isn't really far from the truth because Arch's last 7 day average has always been higher than it's last 6 months average.

But the " last 6 months" average is actually decreasing. How can 396 decrease to 388 and at the same time be converging to 423?

kensai · 2007-11-14 03:40:49

Is sad, the matter that Ladislav does not want to accept the fact that a bot is being setup for the PCLinuxOS hit rankings to go up, when he conducted this experiment, the PCLOS hits per day went down by a huge margin of like from 3,757 hits per day to 684, this is actually an indication of trickery. Even more with the fact that Ubuntu was almost non-affected by this with just a decline from 3,568 to 3,204. Now there you see no bot is being involved in the hits per day of the Ubuntu distro but for the PCLOS distro, I doubt this is sheer curiosity of users that make this distro being on the top. Ladislav just wanted to get out of this problem, but is is far from solved.

Being this said, I actually wont put any confidence on the hits page ranking. I know Ladislav himself told us not to, but the fact that it is now obvious that it is being tricked, makes it worse.

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Allan · 2007-11-14 03:53:51

Check out the lastest issue of distrowatch weekly. http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20071112#stats

Note that Arch has the 6th most users in IRC at the time tested - beating Slackware, Fedora and OpenSuse

kensai · 2007-11-14 13:07:36

Yeah, and even that was poorly done, and has nothing scientific in it. Notice this was done at a random hour, which affects some of the distros, Arch Linux has at a normal day, more than 320 users on IRC, yet there appears less than 300 users, and is all the fault of the hour this was done. So, what I think is, this could have been done in a better way, and tracked which is the distros peak hour on IRC and document that, not a random hour which might be the worst for a distro depending on the timezone their users have.

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Allan · 2007-11-14 13:22:28

As a statistician, I know how unbelievably crap their whole distro statistics are. Really, the closest you can get is to log the number of install iso downloaded and even that is bad... Does anyone know if we have that number ofr Arch?

kensai · 2007-11-14 13:29:24

I guess, the best stats we have are this. Even though not perfect are a good indication of some of the statistics of Arch Linux.

Misfit138 · 2007-11-14 19:30:25

Arch seems to be growing consistently and healthily. Not too fast, not too slow. It seems that users of the newbie distros come to Arch for a learning experience. Users of Slack come to Arch for pacman. Users of Gentoo and Debian come to Arch for simplicity.
Most stay.

mivo · 2007-11-15 05:46:51

Misfit138 wrote:

Arch seems to be growing consistently and healthily. Not too fast, not too slow. It seems that users of the newbie distros come to Arch for a learning experience.

Yes, people like me. After two or so months "full-time" with Ubuntu and a bit of Fedora, I started toying around with Arch on my spare desktop. Took some reading and "trying out things", but the box now runs a system almost identical to my normal Ubuntu desktop (Compiz Fusion and all). Futzing around with AWN from AUR now, and if that works well, I'm going to put Arch on my regular desktop as well (but it's a 64-bit system, so I'll have to do some more reading re: pitfalls, and it has some Linux-unfriendly hardware). What attracted me is pacman, AUR and the rolling release system. I do feel really clueless compared to the Linux pros here, but reading (and asking questions if that fails) works well so far (there is an Arch thread in the Ubuntu forum -- that's what got me here).

hussam · 2007-11-15 11:14:40

kensai wrote:

Is sad, the matter that Ladislav does not want to accept the fact that a bot is being setup for the PCLinuxOS hit rankings to go up

That's true. I had a feeling that it was something of the sort. If you look at the their package versions on Distrowatch, most core packages are out of date including kernel and xorg. I also know for a fact that they don't provide security updates. They rarely make new releases. That all means that it's really hard to believe they can outrank Ubuntu without resorting to cheating.

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