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#1 2007-11-27 18:46:43

jaideep_jdof
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Opera or firefox?

I am using kde and want to know which web browser is the better, opera or firefox. 
1) I have seen that firefox takes longer time than opera to start.
2) Page is rendered faster in opera than firefox.
3) Opera doesn't detect mplayer plugin.
4) GUI fonts of opera are to small, puts strain on my eyes.


Please help me decide. Is it possible to import bookmarks from firefox to opera?

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#2 2007-11-27 18:53:11

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Re: Opera or firefox?

there are far more browsers than opera or firefox out there. if u cant decide between those 2 maybe u should look into other alternatives as well


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#3 2007-11-27 19:00:56

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Re: Opera or firefox?

I am looking for one with will support flash, jre and mplayer plugins. Are there any other browser which supports all these.

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#4 2007-11-27 19:08:03

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Re: Opera or firefox?

Konqueror

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#5 2007-11-27 19:13:06

jaideep_jdof
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Re: Opera or firefox?

augegr wrote:

Konqueror

But gmail doesn't support it.

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#6 2007-11-27 19:14:39

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Re: Opera or firefox?

jaideep_jdof wrote:

3) Opera doesn't detect mplayer plugin.

Use this: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?d … =1&ID=8159 (and read the comments)

jaideep_jdof wrote:

4) GUI fonts of opera are to small, puts strain on my eyes.

Tools --> Preferences --> Advanced --> Fonts --> Browser specific settings

jaideep_jdof wrote:

Is it possible to import bookmarks from firefox to opera?

File --> Import and export --> Import netscape/firefox stuff

JRE should work without problems, opera even detects the correct paths. Same with flash, but its a little bit flaky... Should be better with 9.50 once its stable...


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#7 2007-11-27 19:22:43

jaideep_jdof
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Re: Opera or firefox?

funkyou wrote:
jaideep_jdof wrote:

3) Opera doesn't detect mplayer plugin.

Use this: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?d … =1&ID=8159 (and read the comments)

So the comments means that i don't need the plugin when opera reaches version 9.5.

I want to shift from firefox is that with every release it fells more blotted.

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#8 2007-11-27 19:30:08

SiD
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Re: Opera or firefox?

Maybe Epiphany is a browser for you. Flash and and Java are working, about mplayer-plugin I don't know.
http://www.archlinux.org/packages/search/?q=epiphany

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#9 2007-11-27 19:46:18

jaideep_jdof
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Re: Opera or firefox?

funkyou could you tell me which font does firefox uses for menus by default.

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#10 2007-11-27 19:49:45

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Re: Opera or firefox?

jaideep_jdof wrote:

funkyou could you tell me which font does firefox uses for menus by default.

The fonts from your GTK settings?

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#11 2007-11-27 19:54:39

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Re: Opera or firefox?

Sorry, i dont know... But i simply use the same fonts i am using in KDE for opera too. You can also adjust the fontsize for each element manually...


want a modular and tweaked KDE for arch? try kdemod

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#12 2007-11-27 19:55:17

jaideep_jdof
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Re: Opera or firefox?

Thanks guys.

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#13 2007-11-27 22:43:27

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Re: Opera or firefox?

I am, for the first time, trying out opera, and not using firefox at all. Lets se how opera fairs against firefox. I am trying to be free of gtk apps, or at least those which depends on gnome.


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#14 2007-11-27 23:14:17

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Re: Opera or firefox?

jaideep_jdof wrote:

I want to shift from firefox is that with every release it fells more blotted.

This is supposed to become much better with FF 3.0.

FWIW, all things considered, I find Opera to be the best of the pair, in terms of speed, configurability, and page rendering (zooming the entire page and not just enlarging the font) -- BUT I'm back with Firefox again after a long and happy marriage with Firefox, for one simple reason: Vimperator. It's the best thing that's happened to me, browserwise, in a long time. If you don't use vim, give Opera a chance. After all, the worst that can happen is that you download a file, install, don't like it, and uninstall again.

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#15 2007-11-27 23:58:42

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Re: Opera or firefox?

I too have tried out Opera and configured it probably nicer than I did Firefox (and I'm all for minimalism). Yet still I returned. Not for the extensions though even if I have quite a few (though not vimperator). I think it was just the feel - Firefox puts my mind at rest, and Opera doesn't. (Vague response I know, but it means a lot to me I guess. And I have no idea what it is exactly that causes this.)

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#16 2007-11-28 01:45:13

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Re: Opera or firefox?

I'm still using FireFox at the moment because Opera doesn't handle flash that well on my box. It will work as good as FF most of the time, but on some sites (with buggy flash probably) it can just stall, or do some funky things.
Have you tried Kazehakase, though? It is very fast and uses Gecko engine. It's fully supported by Gmail, too.

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#17 2007-11-28 11:01:35

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Re: Opera or firefox?

I also think kazehakase would be a good choice, I've been using it for a few days now and I've got no problems with it.  It's very customizable too, if you're into that sort of thing.  If it really got to be opera and firefox, I'll go with firefox. 

I've listed something for you maybe this would help.

opera:
1. according to some website (i'm sorry I won't be able to provide the link, i'm too busy to search) opera adheres more to w3c standards. but the   differences are negligible.
2. opera offer a lot of cool extra service natively (torrent client, resumable downloads, speed dial, etc...) you can probably get some of this from firefox but with the aid of plugins.
3. if it matters to you, this one is closed-source.
4. flash doesn't work well at the moment.

firefox:
1. Between the 2 more web developers and designers tests their websites in firefox exclusively since opera has less users (bad practice though) so you can expect better surfing experience with it.
2. the plugins are amazing. your only problem is when people orphaned their project, and you're already used to it.
3. in my experience firefox crashes more. Starts slower too.

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#18 2007-11-28 13:27:54

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Re: Opera or firefox?

Well, I'm back to firefox, opera doesn't cut it for me. So, firefox is the one. I'm just too used to ad block plus. big_smile


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#19 2007-11-28 13:33:22

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Re: Opera or firefox?

Seems like flash doesn't work properly for a lot of people. I am just curios: are you using 64-Bit Systems? Flash works flawless in my Opera on an old 32-Bit Rig.


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#20 2007-11-28 15:09:45

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Re: Opera or firefox?

jaideep_jdof wrote:
augegr wrote:

Konqueror

But gmail doesn't support it.

It doesn't have to, just use a fake user agent.


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#21 2007-11-28 15:26:24

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Re: Opera or firefox?

foxbunny wrote:

I'm still using FireFox at the moment because Opera doesn't handle flash that well on my box. It will work as good as FF most of the time, but on some sites (with buggy flash probably) it can just stall, or do some funky things.
Have you tried Kazehakase, though? It is very fast and uses Gecko engine. It's fully supported by Gmail, too.

I've tried it, it doens't render pages for me. It just shows a blank white page for each website. Sadly, I have tried many things to fix it.

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#22 2007-11-28 16:14:28

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Re: Opera or firefox?

shining wrote:

It doesn't have to, just use a fake user agent.

The last time I checked (a few weeks back), user agents didn't work again. Every time Google upgrades GMail, it breaks in Konqueror.

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#23 2007-11-28 16:25:58

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Re: Opera or firefox?

You should test the firefox 3 nightly packages in the AUR. While there seems to be some minor font rendering issue related to the new gecko engine, Firefox 3 feels much faster and the new bookmarking features are quite nice.


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#24 2007-11-28 18:37:59

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Re: Opera or firefox?

I'm really liking Netscape 9.0.0.3: http://browser.netscape.com/downloads

... it's as fast as any other browser I've ever tried, and has that same stable feeling that Opera and Epiphany have, but while still being looking like "Firefox", and having the Firefox add-ons.


I've tried a lot of browsers before. I mostly have used Swiftfox because it was faster than regular Firefox and still had all of my same Firefox features.


I've also tried Swiftweasel (on xubuntu), and Opera, as well as Epiphany. Recently I've tried the Firefox 3 alphas 6-8, and then the unofficial beta rc that got leaked on digg.com, and then the official Firefox 3 beta 1...


But I just recently installed Netscape 9.0.0.3 for Linux... and this is the best feeling browser I have felt yet. It's faster than Swiftfox and all of the other Firefox/Swiftweasel browsers I've tried. It's faster than the new Firefox 3 beta... and it's even as fast or faster than Epiphany and Opera.


The pages load instantly (all at once), and with that same stable feeling that Opera and Epiphany have. But having Netscape is even better because I still get to use my Firefox extensions like Fasterfox, Tabs Mix Plus, Adblock Plus, Better Search, Stylish, Gmail Notifier, ScrapBook... as well as other extensions. It's easy to customize both in the classic.jar and with userChrome.css, and every plug-in that I already had in Swiftfox, worked instantly: Java(TM) 1.6.0_03-b05, Adobe Reader 8.0, DivX Browser Plug-In, Google VLC multimedia plugin 1.0, QuickTime Plug-in 6.0 / 7, RealPlayer 9, Windows Media Player Plugin, mplayerplug-in 3.45, Shockwave Flash 9.0 r48, and the default libnullplugin.so


I could easily import my Firefox bookmarks, and the default theme uses my gtk-2.0... It loads faster than Swiftfox when I start, and my home page loads instantly as compared to Swiftfox/Firefox. Like I said before, it feels more like Opera or Epiphany, while looking like Firefox with the Firefox extensions... which is why I'm liking it so much.


EDIT: I just did another comparison between Swiftfox and Netscape 9.0.0.4, and when I disabled a few of the Swiftfox extensions like the StumbleUpon toolbar, and the Forecastfox toolbar, the two different browsers were about the exact same speed for everything. I did notice that Netscape has a more "solid" feeling when clicking on different pages (like Opera or Epiphany), but Swiftfox did have a slightly faster page loading time. (+ 0.20)

Last edited by methuselah (2007-11-29 01:19:13)

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#25 2007-11-29 00:58:43

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Re: Opera or firefox?

kazehakase works well for me, flash and jre work, dunno about mplayer. fster than firefox also big_smile

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