New Arch will have support to ext4?

cyber punk · 2008-01-02 17:52:22

I have this question ....

During installation of the arch is not available this option

Ext4 is stable? I never used this file system

xdeusx · 2008-01-02 17:54:25

no it's not stable
The filesystem is currently marked as developmental and is titled "ext4dev"

cyber punk · 2008-01-02 18:05:48

Could have the option to install

Placing a warning on the side

Ext4 (experimental)

Only one suggestion

This could help in developing the ext4

Last edited by cyber punk (2008-01-02 18:07:27)

stavrosg · 2008-01-02 19:57:16

It is simple enough to enable it afterwards for those who really need it and know what they are doing.
No, I am absolutely against of putting an unstable file system as an install option.

Jansson · 2008-01-02 22:14:16

Agreed, since the kernel has it enabled, you'r only an install away anyway .

.:B:. · 2008-01-02 22:35:33

I agree too. If you offer ext4 as an installation option, those who install on it will blame the devs when they loose their data. Sometimes, people need to be protected from themselves.

stylopath · 2008-01-02 22:43:02

I'm also against it, because for people that switch to arch to learn more could have a bad first impression if they have unexpected problems due to data loss, especially it they think it's a arch-caused issue.

Slightly offtopic i have a question:

If i would like to change the filesystem type of / from ext3 to jfs,
would it work if i cp everything in / (recursive of course) to another directory,
format in new filesystem (does cfdisk work?) and copy everything back?

Will it cause more work than modifying the mkinitcpio.conf, rebuilding a new mkinitcpio and modify /etc/fstab?

Crooksey · 2008-01-02 22:49:47

cyber punk,

I see you are new to the forums, I will take the assumption this also means you are new to arch.

Placing an "experimental" option within the install "isn't very arch", that may sound lame, but its the lame truth, over time and usage of arch you will probably see why, but if you installed ext4 and it broke you an many others would be complaining about why it was used as an install option.

Checkout: http://www.bullopensource.org/ext4/

They have a mailing list up if you want to track progress and help development

tomk · 2008-01-02 22:55:03

stylopath - your question could get lost in this thread. Start a new one.

Wilson Phillips · 2008-01-02 22:57:36

stylopath wrote:

I'm also against it, because for people that switch to arch to learn more could have a bad first impression if they have unexpected problems due to data loss, especially it they think it's a arch-caused issue.
Slightly offtopic i have a question:
If i would like to change the filesystem type of / from ext3 to jfs,
would it work if i cp everything in / (recursive of course) to another directory,
format in new filesystem (does cfdisk work?) and copy everything back?
Will it cause more work than modifying the mkinitcpio.conf, rebuilding a new mkinitcpio and modify /etc/fstab?

As long as you are careful and back up your data, I don't see any problem with doing it that way. Just don't change the size of the partition. Only change the type. This will keep it from affecting any other partitions.

Add me to the list of those who think that adding ext4 as an option is a bad idea.

Last edited by Wilson Phillips (2008-01-02 22:58:53)

pecan · 2008-01-02 23:39:42

There are a few types of software that people should be especially careful of when they are in the development stage. window managers and file systems are a couple of good examples. It doesn't matter if your using a beta messenger, the worse that will happen is it crashes. On the other hand, a file system, your most likely going to lose your data if something goes wrong. A lot of newer people will just see the higher number (if you knew nothing about ext3, are you going to pick the one with the smaller number?). For people who know what they are doing, the kind of people who can probably get away with using ext4, its easy to change, so therefore theres no real reason to include it in the install options.

cyber punk · 2008-01-03 01:26:42

OK

You won

relax

kensai · 2008-01-03 01:28:51

pecan wrote:

It doesn't matter if your using a beta messenger, the worse that will happen is it crashes.

Hmm, think about it: What if you were playing this big bad joke line on your girlfriend or best friend and you were about to come with a "busted" or "I'm just jocking" and then the messenger crashes but this time it doesn't want to start again. Yeah, you reboot or log out, log in, and start the messenger again, to find out she disconnected and don't want to answer your phone calls.

Man that'll be the worst case scenario.:lol:

peets · 2008-01-03 01:55:22

kensai wrote:

pecan wrote:
It doesn't matter if your using a beta messenger, the worse that will happen is it crashes.
Hmm, think about it: What if you were playing this big bad joke line on your girlfriend or best friend and you were about to come with a "busted" or "I'm just jocking" and then the messenger crashes but this time it doesn't want to start again. Yeah, you reboot or log out, log in, and start the messenger again, to find out she disconnected and don't want to answer your phone calls.
Man that'll be the worst case scenario.:lol:

It sounds like you might have a story to tell ...

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New Arch will have support to ext4?

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