pacman -Qe Broken after today´s "full system upgrade"

mamas6667 · 2008-01-17 21:27:34

From "pacman.log"

synchronizing package lists
[2008-01-17 18:04] starting full system upgrade
[2008-01-17 18:05] upgraded gnome-keyring (2.20.2-1 -> 2.20.3-1)
[2008-01-17 18:06] >>>
[2008-01-17 18:06] >>> If you use the LILO bootloader, you should run 'lilo' before rebooting.
[2008-01-17 18:06] >>>
[2008-01-17 18:06] >>> Updating module dependencies. Please wait ...
[2008-01-17 18:06] >>> MKINITCPIO SETUP
[2008-01-17 18:06] >>> ----------------
[2008-01-17 18:06] >>> If you use LVM2, Encrypted root or software RAID,
[2008-01-17 18:06] >>> Ensure you enable support in /etc/mkinitcpio.conf .
[2008-01-17 18:06] >>> More information about mkinitcpio setup can be found here:
[2008-01-17 18:06] >>> http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mkinitcpio
[2008-01-17 18:06] 
[2008-01-17 18:06] >>> Generating initial ramdisk, using mkinitcpio.  Please wait...
[2008-01-17 18:06] ==> Building image "default"
[2008-01-17 18:06] ==> Running command: /sbin/mkinitcpio -k 2.6.23-ARCH -c /etc/mkinitcpio.conf -g /boot/kernel26.img
[2008-01-17 18:06] :: Begin build
[2008-01-17 18:06] :: Parsing hook [base]
[2008-01-17 18:06] :: Parsing hook [autodetect]
[2008-01-17 18:06] :: Generating module dependencies
[2008-01-17 18:06] :: Generating image '/boot/kernel26.img'...SUCCESS
[2008-01-17 18:06] ==> SUCCESS
[2008-01-17 18:06] ==> Building image "fallback"
[2008-01-17 18:06] ==> Running command: /sbin/mkinitcpio -k 2.6.23-ARCH -c /etc/mkinitcpio.d/kernel26-fallback.conf -g /boot/kernel26-fallback.img
[2008-01-17 18:06] :: Begin build
[2008-01-17 18:06] :: Parsing hook [base]
[2008-01-17 18:06] :: Parsing hook [udev]
[2008-01-17 18:06] :: Parsing hook [ide]
[2008-01-17 18:06] :: Parsing hook [pata]
[2008-01-17 18:06] :: Parsing hook [scsi]
[2008-01-17 18:06] :: Parsing hook [sata]
[2008-01-17 18:06] :: Parsing hook [usbinput]
[2008-01-17 18:06] :: Parsing hook [raid]
[2008-01-17 18:06] :: Parsing hook [filesystems]
[2008-01-17 18:07] :: Generating module dependencies
[2008-01-17 18:07] :: Generating image '/boot/kernel26-fallback.img'...SUCCESS
[2008-01-17 18:07] ==> SUCCESS
[2008-01-17 18:07] upgraded kernel26 (2.6.23.12-3 -> 2.6.23.14-1)
[2008-01-17 18:07] upgraded libgtop (2.20.0-1 -> 2.20.1-1)
[2008-01-17 18:07] upgraded libwnck (2.20.2-1 -> 2.20.3-1)
[2008-01-17 18:07] upgraded vte (0.16.11-1 -> 0.16.12-1)
[2008-01-17 18:07] upgraded xorg-xinit (1.0.7-2 -> 1.0.7-3)

Result when using "pacman -Qe" afterwards.

pacman -Qe
alsa-lib 1.0.15-1
alsa-oss 1.0.15-1
alsa-plugins 1.0.15-1
alsa-utils 1.0.15-2
autoconf 2.61-3
automake 1.10-3
bin86 0.16.17-3
bison 2.3-4
bzip2 1.0.4-3
catfish 0.3-1
ccsm 0.6.0-2
compiz-fusion-plugins-extra 0.6.0-2
compiz-fusion-plugins-main 0.6.0-3
compizconfig-backend-gconf 0.6.0-2
conky 1.4.9-1
cpio 2.9-3
csup 20060318-5
curl 7.17.1-1
dbus 1.0.2-4
e2fsprogs 1.40.3-1
ed 0.8-3
emerald 0.6.0-3
emerald-themes 0.6.0-2
epdfview 0.1.6-5
exo 0.3.4-1
fcron 3.0.4-1
file 4.23-1
filesystem 2007.11-3
findutils 4.2.31-3
firefox 2.0.0.11-1
flashplugin 9.0.115.0-1
flex 2.5.33-3
fusion-icon 20071111-1
galculator 1.3.1-1
gawk 3.1.6-2
gettext 0.17-1
gksu 2.0.0-2
gnome-icon-theme 2.20.0-1
gqview 2.0.4-1
grep 2.5.3-3
groff 1.19.2-3
grub 0.97-9
gtk-xfce-engine 2.4.2-1
gzip 1.3.12-4
hardinfo 0.4.2.3-1
hdparm 7.7-3
hwd 5.3.1-1
hwdetect 0.9-1
initscripts 2007.11-2
iptables 1.3.8-2
iputils 20070202-3
jacman 0.4-2
jre 6u3-2
kbd 1.12.20070827-2
kernel26 2.6.23.14-1
less 418-1
libdca 0.0.5-1
libpcap 0.9.8-2
libtool 1.5.24-3
libusb 0.1.12-3
libxfce4mcs 4.4.2-1
libxfce4util 4.4.2-1
libxfcegui4 4.4.2-1
licenses 2.2-2
lilo 22.8-2
lshwd 1.1.3-5
lzo2 2.02-3
lzop 1.02rc1-3
make 3.81-3
man 1.6f-1
man-pages 2.74-1
mc 4.6.1-4
mesa 7.0.1-1
mkinitcpio 0.5.17-1
mktemp 1.5-3
mlocate 0.18-2
module-init-tools 3.2.2-5
mousepad 0.2.13-1
mplayer 1.0rc2-1
mplayer-plugin 3.45-1
nano 2.0.7-1
net-tools 1.60-13
numlockx 1.1-3
nvidia-96xx 96.43.01-6
openal 0.0.8-4
openssl 0.9.8g-2
pacman 3.1.0-1
pacworld 0.3.4-2
patch 2.5.4-4
pcmciautils 014-3
pidgin 2.3.1-1
pkgconfig 0.22-3
ppp 2.4.4-6
procinfo 19-2
procps 3.2.7-4
psmisc 22.6-1
pyqt4 4.3.3-1
pyxdg 0.15-1
qca 1.0-3
qca-tls 1.0-3
rarian 0.6.0-1
reiserfsprogs 3.6.20-3
rp-pppoe 3.8-2
rpmextract 0-1
schismtracker 0.5rc1-1
scite 1.75-1
sdl_image 1.2.6-1
sdl_mixer 1.2.8-1
seamonkey 1.1.5-2
skype 2.0.0.27-1
slim 1.3.0-2
slim-themes 1.2.3-2
squeeze 0.2.2-1
sudo 1.6.9p10-3
syslog-ng 2.0.6-1
sysvinit 2.86-4
tar 1.19-2
terminal 0.2.8-1
terminatorx 3.82-1
thunar 0.9.0-2
thunar-archive-plugin 0.2.4-5
thunar-volman 0.2.0-1
ttf-ms-fonts 2.0-1
tuxcards 2.0-1
udev 116-3
unclutter 8-4
unrar 3.7.8-1
unzip 5.52-3
util-linux-ng 2.13.0.1-2
vim 7.1.156-1
vlc 0.8.6d-1
wget 1.10.2-4
which 2.17-2
xcursor-grounation 0.3-5
xfce-mcs-manager 4.4.2-1
xfce-mcs-plugins 4.4.2-1
xfce-utils 4.4.2-1
xfce4-appfinder 4.4.2-1
xfce4-cpugraph-plugin 0.4.0-1
xfce4-genmon-plugin 3.1-4
xfce4-icon-theme 4.4.2-1
xfce4-mixer 4.4.2-1
xfce4-netload-plugin 0.4.0-4
xfce4-panel 4.4.2-1
xfce4-screenshooter-plugin 1.0.0-5
xfce4-session 4.4.2-1
xfce4-taskmanager 0.3.2-4
xfdesktop 4.4.2-1
xfprint 4.4.2-1
xfwm4 4.4.2-1
xfwm4-themes 4.4.2-1
xmms 1.2.11-1
xorg-fonts-type1 1.0.1-1
xorg-twm 1.0.1-2
xterm 229-2
zip 2.32-1

WEIRD, BUG or ???

dmartins · 2008-01-17 21:44:49

Are you expecting -Qe to show orphans? Pacman 3.1.0 changed that to -Qt

mamas6667 · 2008-01-17 22:06:37

After reading your reply, I checked "man pacman" and it changed as you said!
so I did a "pacman -Qt" to look for orphans and this is the result.

alsa-oss 1.0.15-1
alsa-plugins 1.0.15-1
alsa-utils 1.0.15-2
autoconf 2.61-3
automake 1.10-3
bin86 0.16.17-3
bison 2.3-4
catfish 0.3-1
ccsm 0.6.0-2
compiz-fusion-plugins-extra 0.6.0-2
compizconfig-backend-gconf 0.6.0-2
conky 1.4.9-1
csup 20060318-5
docbook-xml 4.5-1
emerald-themes 0.6.0-2
epdfview 0.1.6-5
findutils 4.2.31-3
firefox 2.0.0.11-1
flashplugin 9.0.115.0-1
flex 2.5.33-3
fusion-icon 20071111-1
galculator 1.3.1-1
gettext 0.17-1
gksu 2.0.0-2
gnome-icon-theme 2.20.0-1
gqview 2.0.4-1
grub 0.97-9
gtk-xfce-engine 2.4.2-1
hardinfo 0.4.2.3-1
hdparm 7.7-3
hwd 5.3.1-1
hwdetect 0.9-1
initscripts 2007.11-2
iptables 1.3.8-2
iputils 20070202-3
jacman 0.4-2
kbd 1.12.20070827-2
libsigc++2.0 2.1.1-1
libtool 1.5.24-3
licenses 2.2-2
lilo 22.8-2
lshwd 1.1.3-5
lzo 1.08-4
lzop 1.02rc1-3
make 3.81-3
man 1.6f-1
man-pages 2.74-1
mc 4.6.1-4
mlocate 0.18-2
mousepad 0.2.13-1
mplayer-plugin 3.45-1
nano 2.0.7-1
numlockx 1.1-3
nvidia-96xx 96.43.01-6
openal 0.0.8-4
pacman 3.1.0-1
pacworld 0.3.4-2
patch 2.5.4-4
pcmciautils 014-3
pidgin 2.3.1-1
pkgconfig 0.22-3
procinfo 19-2
psmisc 22.6-1
pyqt4 4.3.3-1
qca-tls 1.0-3
reiserfsprogs 3.6.20-3
rp-pppoe 3.8-2
rpmextract 0-1
schismtracker 0.5rc1-1
scite 1.75-1
sdl_image 1.2.6-1
sdl_mixer 1.2.8-1
seamonkey 1.1.5-2
skype 2.0.0.27-1
slim-themes 1.2.3-2
squeeze 0.2.2-1
sudo 1.6.9p10-3
syslog-ng 2.0.6-1
sysvinit 2.86-4
tar 1.19-2
terminal 0.2.8-1
terminatorx 3.82-1
thunar-archive-plugin 0.2.4-5
thunar-volman 0.2.0-1
ttf-ms-fonts 2.0-1
tuxcards 2.0-1
unclutter 8-4
unrar 3.7.8-1
unzip 5.52-3
vim 7.1.156-1
vlc 0.8.6d-1
which 2.17-2
xcursor-grounation 0.3-5
xf86-input-keyboard 1.2.2-2
xf86-input-mouse 1.2.3-1
xf86-video-vesa 1.3.0-5
xfce-mcs-plugins 4.4.2-1
xfce-utils 4.4.2-1
xfce4-appfinder 4.4.2-1
xfce4-cpugraph-plugin 0.4.0-1
xfce4-genmon-plugin 3.1-4
xfce4-icon-theme 4.4.2-1
xfce4-mixer 4.4.2-1
xfce4-netload-plugin 0.4.0-4
xfce4-screenshooter-plugin 1.0.0-5
xfce4-session 4.4.2-1
xfce4-taskmanager 0.3.2-4
xfdesktop 4.4.2-1
xfprint 4.4.2-1
xfwm4-themes 4.4.2-1
xmms 1.2.11-1
xorg-fonts-type1 1.0.1-1
xorg-twm 1.0.1-2
xorg-xinit 1.0.7-3
xterm 229-2
zip 2.32-1

It shows less packages, yet this are not orphans :-(

Also in "man pacman" it says "(-Qet is equivalent to the pacman 2.9.X -Qe option.)"

pacman -Qet

alsa-oss 1.0.15-1
alsa-plugins 1.0.15-1
alsa-utils 1.0.15-2
autoconf 2.61-3
automake 1.10-3
bin86 0.16.17-3
bison 2.3-4
catfish 0.3-1
ccsm 0.6.0-2
compiz-fusion-plugins-extra 0.6.0-2
compizconfig-backend-gconf 0.6.0-2
conky 1.4.9-1
csup 20060318-5
emerald-themes 0.6.0-2
epdfview 0.1.6-5
findutils 4.2.31-3
firefox 2.0.0.11-1
flashplugin 9.0.115.0-1
flex 2.5.33-3
fusion-icon 20071111-1
galculator 1.3.1-1
gettext 0.17-1
gksu 2.0.0-2
gnome-icon-theme 2.20.0-1
gqview 2.0.4-1
grub 0.97-9
gtk-xfce-engine 2.4.2-1
hardinfo 0.4.2.3-1
hdparm 7.7-3
hwd 5.3.1-1
hwdetect 0.9-1
initscripts 2007.11-2
iptables 1.3.8-2
iputils 20070202-3
jacman 0.4-2
kbd 1.12.20070827-2
libtool 1.5.24-3
licenses 2.2-2
lilo 22.8-2
lshwd 1.1.3-5
lzop 1.02rc1-3
make 3.81-3
man 1.6f-1
man-pages 2.74-1
mc 4.6.1-4
mlocate 0.18-2
mousepad 0.2.13-1
mplayer-plugin 3.45-1
nano 2.0.7-1
numlockx 1.1-3
nvidia-96xx 96.43.01-6
openal 0.0.8-4
pacman 3.1.0-1
pacworld 0.3.4-2
patch 2.5.4-4
pcmciautils 014-3
pidgin 2.3.1-1
pkgconfig 0.22-3
procinfo 19-2
psmisc 22.6-1
pyqt4 4.3.3-1
qca-tls 1.0-3
reiserfsprogs 3.6.20-3
rp-pppoe 3.8-2
rpmextract 0-1
schismtracker 0.5rc1-1
scite 1.75-1
sdl_image 1.2.6-1
sdl_mixer 1.2.8-1
seamonkey 1.1.5-2
skype 2.0.0.27-1
slim-themes 1.2.3-2
squeeze 0.2.2-1
sudo 1.6.9p10-3
syslog-ng 2.0.6-1
sysvinit 2.86-4
tar 1.19-2
terminal 0.2.8-1
terminatorx 3.82-1
thunar-archive-plugin 0.2.4-5
thunar-volman 0.2.0-1
ttf-ms-fonts 2.0-1
tuxcards 2.0-1
unclutter 8-4
unrar 3.7.8-1
unzip 5.52-3
vim 7.1.156-1
vlc 0.8.6d-1
which 2.17-2
xcursor-grounation 0.3-5
xfce-mcs-plugins 4.4.2-1
xfce-utils 4.4.2-1
xfce4-appfinder 4.4.2-1
xfce4-cpugraph-plugin 0.4.0-1
xfce4-genmon-plugin 3.1-4
xfce4-icon-theme 4.4.2-1
xfce4-mixer 4.4.2-1
xfce4-netload-plugin 0.4.0-4
xfce4-screenshooter-plugin 1.0.0-5
xfce4-session 4.4.2-1
xfce4-taskmanager 0.3.2-4
xfdesktop 4.4.2-1
xfprint 4.4.2-1
xfwm4-themes 4.4.2-1
xmms 1.2.11-1
xorg-fonts-type1 1.0.1-1
xorg-twm 1.0.1-2
xterm 229-2
zip 2.32-1

Now I am lost, hahhahahahahaahahahahahaha

dmartins · 2008-01-17 22:16:43

Sure enough, I get a similar response to both commands. Try pacman -Qdt, that seems to give me a better list! d for all packages installed as dependencies and t to show only the ones not required by any package
To me, it seems like the man page is wrong, or at least misleading.

Last edited by dmartins (2008-01-17 22:17:07)

shining · 2008-01-17 22:21:16

dmartins wrote:

Sure enough, I get a similar response to both commands. Try pacman -Qdt, that seems to give me a better list! d for all packages installed as dependencies and t to show only the ones not required by any package
To me, it seems like the man page is wrong, or at least misleading.

Hm, which part exactly?

mamas6667 · 2008-01-17 22:25:16

(-Qdt is equivalent to the pacman 3.0.X -Qe option.)

pacman -Qdt

docbook-xml 4.5-1
libsigc++2.0 2.1.1-1
lzo 1.08-4
xf86-input-keyboard 1.2.2-2
xf86-input-mouse 1.2.3-1
xf86-video-vesa 1.3.0-5
xorg-xinit 1.0.7-3

I won't remove them till I'm sure if they are true orphans

pacman -Qe worked yesterday, LOL

Sorry for the confusion created, anyhow!

kensai · 2008-01-17 22:38:25

at least -Qdt gave me the real orphan packages which is portmap since I removed fam, so I assume it really gives orphans. But, I wouldn't recommend you remove xf86-input-keyboard or xf86-input-mouse unless you don't use a mouse nor a keyboard.

mamas6667 · 2008-01-17 22:57:16

I couldn't help testing pacman's abilities, so I removed everything listed by "pacman -Qdt"
including xf86-input-keyboard and xf86-input-mouse
Couldn't type anything in "Slim" to login :-(
So I booted a puppylinux Frugal install and removed "slim" from the daemons in rc.conf, rebooted in to Archlinux
and reinstalled the keyboard and the mouse. now everything seems ok!

I did a "pacman -Qdt" just to check and neither xf86-input-keyboard or xf86-input-mouse, apeared now as orphans???
I have no orphans now.

If I removed anything vital, pls let me know.

[2008-01-17 19:26] removed docbook-xml (4.5-1)
[2008-01-17 19:26] removed libsigc++2.0 (2.1.1-1)
[2008-01-17 19:26] removed lzo (1.08-4)
[2008-01-17 19:27] removed xorg-xinit (1.0.7-3)
[2008-01-17 19:28] removed xorg-xauth (1.0.2-1)
[2008-01-17 19:29] removed xf86-input-keyboard (1.2.2-2)
[2008-01-17 19:29] removed xf86-input-mouse (1.2.3-1)
[2008-01-17 19:29] removed xf86-video-vesa (1.3.0-5)
[2008-01-17 19:45] installed xf86-input-mouse (1.2.3-1)
[2008-01-17 19:45] installed xf86-input-keyboard (1.2.2-2)

Last edited by mamas6667 (2008-01-17 23:02:23)

bender02 · 2008-01-17 23:19:30

I'd keep all those x* packages you removed. I think the reason that pacman -Qdt listed those is that some time ago there was a dummy package named "xorg" which pulled in all those packages as dependencies. That "xorg" package was removed further on, leaving "orphans" behind (which should not be orphans though).

shining · 2008-01-17 23:20:10

I would not have removed any of the xorg / xf86 packages.
This problem was likely caused by the xorg meta package -> xorg transition that happened a while ago. So these packages are not really orphans, it's just a side effect of the transition.

Edit : oh no, bender owned me..

Last edited by shining (2008-01-17 23:20:40)

dmartins · 2008-01-17 23:35:03

shining wrote:

dmartins wrote:
Sure enough, I get a similar response to both commands. Try pacman -Qdt, that seems to give me a better list! d for all packages installed as dependencies and t to show only the ones not required by any package
To me, it seems like the man page is wrong, or at least misleading.
Hm, which part exactly?

 -e, --explicit
           List all packages explicitly installed. This option can be combined
           with -t to list top-level packages- those packages that were
           explicitly installed but are not required by any other package.
           (-Qet is equivalent to the pacman 2.9.X -Qe option.)

I was thinking this part, but I had missed the "2.9.X". I cannot remember what -Qe did before 3.0 -- so i am probably wrong! Sorry

shining · 2008-01-18 00:33:51

dmartins wrote:

 -e, --explicit
           List all packages explicitly installed. This option can be combined
           with -t to list top-level packages- those packages that were
           explicitly installed but are not required by any other package.
           (-Qet is equivalent to the pacman 2.9.X -Qe option.)

I was thinking this part, but I had missed the "2.9.X". I cannot remember what -Qe did before 3.0 -- so i am probably wrong! Sorry

Ah ok, that's what I guessed, but I wasn't sure at all. Indeed. the 2.9 Qe option was a bit strange

mamas6667 · 2008-01-18 04:26:05

Noticed a few strange thinks not working ie.- "gksu" guess needs xorg-xauth

[2008-01-17 19:45] installed xf86-input-mouse (1.2.3-1)
[2008-01-17 19:45] installed xf86-input-keyboard (1.2.2-2)
[2008-01-18 01:14] installed xorg-xauth (1.0.2-1)
[2008-01-18 01:15] installed xorg-xinit (1.0.7-3)
[2008-01-18 01:17] installed lzo (1.08-4)
[2008-01-18 01:17] installed libsigc++2.0 (2.1.1-1)
[2008-01-18 01:18] installed docbook-xml (4.5-1)

xf86-video-vesa is the only one I didn't reinstall.

did a "pacman -Qdt" afterwards, and guess what, it didn't return anything.

Last edited by mamas6667 (2008-01-18 04:27:05)

schivmeister · 2008-01-18 06:14:49

The answer is in the FM, so RTFM!

..

-e, --explicit
List all packages explicitly installed. This option can be combined with -t to list top-level packages- those packages that were explicitly installed
but are not required by any other package. (-Qet is equivalent to the pacman 2.9.X -Qe option.)
>>> see, they're different! explicitly installed and real orphans, hard to notice? please diff -Naur them! <<<
-d, --deps
List all packages installed as dependencies. This option can be combined with -t for listing real orphans- packages that were installed as dependencies
but are no longer required by any installed package. (-Qdt is equivalent to the pacman 3.0.X -Qe option.)
-t, --orphans
Restrict or filter output to packages not required by any currently installed package.

Last edited by schivmeister (2008-01-18 06:18:16)

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#1 2008-01-17 21:27:34

pacman -Qe Broken after today´s "full system upgrade"

#2 2008-01-17 21:44:49

Re: pacman -Qe Broken after today´s "full system upgrade"

#3 2008-01-17 22:06:37

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#10 2008-01-17 23:20:10

Re: pacman -Qe Broken after today´s "full system upgrade"

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#12 2008-01-18 00:33:51

Re: pacman -Qe Broken after today´s "full system upgrade"

#13 2008-01-18 04:26:05

Re: pacman -Qe Broken after today´s "full system upgrade"

#14 2008-01-18 06:14:49

Re: pacman -Qe Broken after today´s "full system upgrade"

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