Archie Deceased?

BKLive · 2008-01-28 15:27:09

I was reading over their page, and it's hard to tell whether this project has died or not. Anyone know for sure?

If this is a repeat question, it must have been asked years ago. Suffice it to say, "My bad."

If it is "dead", is anyone interested in re-booting it? I would like a Live-CD version of Arch for some slim machines I am scattering around the old homestead and this project was taking some good initiative and making some really good products. Anyone?

bwalk · 2008-01-28 15:35:02

Brrr, first I thought someone from the Arch crew died... *phew*

venky80 · 2008-01-28 16:04:22

ya Iam wondering the same thing, really in need of a live cd to install arch, I know there will be a lot of nay sayers, but a live CD helps in getting the system up and running fast with a DE/ WM (where wireless setup with WPA encryption is trivial)
I know I have read wikis on network profiles etc, yes I find the graphical setup of network easier with wicd/Knetworkmanager etc.
Also yes I do not want Arch to change but I want this side project to survive, just for folks like me (i know there are many of us)

raymano · 2008-01-28 17:47:26

FaunOS?

miggols99 · 2008-01-28 17:49:32

I think FaunOS should have a "lite" version that fits onto a regular CD, because I don't have any burnable DVDs and the dd command seems to work but doesn't boot..

raymano · 2008-01-28 18:00:27

Will have a lite version eventually. You might have done a dd to a partition instead of a device. The correct for is:

dd if=<current faunos usb image> of=/dev/sdX

where X is a device letter. Examples would be /dev/sdc or /dev/sdd.

Needless to say this can be very dangerous. Make sure you know your USB device for sure before you do this. You can wipe off your hard drive if you put in the incorrect device letter.

If you have done it correctly and still can't boot your machine may not be able to boot a USB device. You can download a 5 meg boot cd from the downloads section which you can use on such machines in conjunction with the USB key. You stick in your newly created USB key and the bootcd and boot your machine to the CD. Once the boot process starts the bootcd can be removed.

Last edited by raymano (2008-01-28 18:23:55)

Dusty · 2008-01-28 18:19:48

there's also gradgrind's larch scripts, but I believe faunos is the most actively maintained arch live system now. For evidence see which author posted here first. :-)

Dusty

gradgrind · 2008-01-28 18:51:08

Designing a really good live system is quite a big job. It's not one I have really wanted to take on, so I am really pleased that raymano has picked up my larch scripts and used them to produce a concrete live cd product - he seems to be doing a really good job, so please give faunos a try if you're looking for a ready-built live system.

And if you want to build a customized live system, have a look at the larch scripts. I'm still working on them, trying to improve them, keep them up to date, cope with pacman changes, etc. Currently a graphical installer is in the pipeline.

BKLive · 2008-01-28 19:28:24

Can we get a link to the FaunOS website in the Arch-Based Projects portion of the Archlinux main site then? Seems fair since so many are so finely attached to it. Yes?

I'll give this a shot once I am able to get some internet for my personal use. Right now the best thing I have going is a community recreation-room-style internet that is non-friendly to outside laptops. I'm thinking this event will happen in June?? I hope to see where FaunOS is then (and that it hasn't kicked the bucket by the time I can actually get my mitts on a copy).

venky80 · 2008-01-28 20:37:13

Ya I have tried faun OS, but i wasnt able to get wireless working on my laptop which has intel drivers, the knetworkmanager seemed to start over and over again, I think faun OS is really good but there should be a light version of it, with minimum amount of packages a simple WM and full support for wireless, people can install it/boot and using the internet, can mould the distro as they would like.
The key is minimum packages light WM and full support for wireless administration.
I know people can make network profiles etc. but expecting easy connection to wireless using WEP/WPA is a fair ask.
But I think faun OS is great, and I thank all the people involved with it, I am glad there are some out there who hear us(non developers) out.

neotuli · 2008-01-28 21:17:13

check out archiso. I've made plenty of livecds with it.

raymano · 2008-01-28 21:58:30

venky80 wrote:

Ya I have tried faun OS, but i wasnt able to get wireless working on my laptop which has intel drivers, the knetworkmanager seemed to start over and over again, I think faun OS is really good but there should be a light version of it, with minimum amount of packages a simple WM and full support for wireless, people can install it/boot and using the internet, can mould the distro as they would like.
The key is minimum packages light WM and full support for wireless administration.
I know people can make network profiles etc. but expecting easy connection to wireless using WEP/WPA is a fair ask.
But I think faun OS is great, and I thank all the people involved with it, I am glad there are some out there who hear us(non developers) out.

Did you try Wireless Assistant? It is included in FaunOS in the KDE Internet menu, and can easily setup wireless connections to WEP/WPA networks specially with intel based wireless cards. I use it myself all the time. knetworkmanager definitely has issues when it comes to setting up encrypted wireless networks. But I thought we need both wireless assistant and knetworkmanager so that wired networks can be configured easily and automatically as well. knetworkmanager does a pretty good job for wired networks.

I recommend posting any issues you might have to the FaunOS forums. There are a bunch of helpful people there that can help resolve most issues.

I also agree that we need a light version. I am trying to find the right light size and the best set of packages to include. We will have this in the future.

venky80 · 2008-01-28 22:52:21

yes it was a while back that I tried Faun OS, and I am extremely glad it exists, I think the purpose of the light version will not be the same as the purpose of the full version, I think the light version should solely exist for people to download whatever they want and to customize it as they want, only that it will have all the tools necessary to connect to the internet easily (I know the arch philosophy of leaning, but it takes time to edit config files) so that people can pull in whatever they want..
I mean should have some connection manager which has fewest dependency...i dont know if something like that exists.
Thanks

B-Con · 2008-02-02 08:25:14

I've not yet tried FaunOS, but how good is it's boot time?

I was thinking the other day, I get really fed up with the plethora of LiveCDs that take roughly half your remaining life time to boot. Sometimes I just want access to a LiveCD that has one objective: To get Linux running as fast as humanly possible. The Ubuntu LiveCD is out as it's possibly the biggest offender, Knoppix is also out (no LiveCD built for speed would load KDE), as are a few others. DSL isn't bad, but it focuses on size, not speed optimization, and the two aren't always equivalent.

Anyway, it seems like Arch would be the perfect base for such a Live-based distro. Haven't tried Archie, but it appers dead anyway, and if FaunOS requires a DVD, doesn't sound promising in the speed department (but of course, I could be wrong).

Sigi · 2008-02-02 08:37:18

If your interested in a short boot time you should go for a LiveUSB instead of a LiveCD. FaunOS provides this too. I've not tried it yet because building your own live systems with larch is just more fun

lilsirecho · 2008-02-02 16:44:39

FaunOS boots in 45 seconds with 500 packages......

Sigi · 2008-02-02 20:41:52

That's cool and my comment wasn't meant to be negative. I just prefer my dwm-based liveUSB over other DE-based-Live-systems.

OT: Does faunOS include some automated scripts to create an xorg.conf? If yes, can I find them somewhere?

Cotton · 2008-02-02 22:03:37

And if you get one of these (ie GT version), its even faster.

If you're after really light and really fast, get SLAX (older version here) and use the copy2ram cheatcode - only needs 384 MB RAM. Blinding, even with KDE.

raymano · 2008-02-02 23:12:01

Sigi wrote:

That's cool and my comment wasn't meant to be negative. I just prefer my dwm-based liveUSB over other DE-based-Live-systems.
OT: Does faunOS include some automated scripts to create an xorg.conf? If yes, can I find them somewhere?

Yes Sigi. It does. It augments hwd and works well for AIGLX. Any improvements are appreciated. Here it is:

#!/bin/bash

yes | hwd -xa 2>&1 > /dev/null

# When using vesa driver use the xorg.conf generated by hwd
grep "Driver.*vesa" /etc/X11/xorg.conf && exit

cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep -v Modes | grep -v "Load .*ddc" | grep -v "Option .*DPMS" | grep -v DefaultColorDepth | grep -v "by Archie" > /tmp/xorg.conf

echo "Section \"Extensions\"" >> /tmp/xorg.conf
echo "   Option \"Composite\" \"true\"" >> /tmp/xorg.conf
echo "EndSection" >> /tmp/xorg.conf

# Now rebuild xorg.conf
rm -f /etc/X11/xorg.conf 2>&1 > /dev/null

cat /tmp/xorg.conf | while read line
do
    echo $line >> /etc/X11/xorg.conf

    if [ "$(echo $line | grep -i "^ *Section.*ServerLayout")" != "" ]
        then
        echo "Option \"AIGLX\" \"true\"" >> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
    fi

    if [ "$(echo $line | grep -i "^ *Section  *\"Device\"")" != "" ]
    then
                echo "Option \"VBERestore\" \"true\"" >> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
            echo "Option \"DRI\" \"true\"" >> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
            echo "Option \"XAANoOffscreenPixmaps\" \"true\"" >> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
        fi
done

lilsirecho · 2008-02-03 03:16:41

Cotton:

What speed are you referring to? USB is limited to around 15-20MB/sec. Only if you use an IDE adapter with UDMA 4 capability in both the adapter and the flash device do you do any better. Then it should be possible to approach 45MB/sec with the right flash device.

Any USB device has overhead in read and write and is limited therefore to the speed I stated.

Check your speed with hdparm -tT /dev/sdxx......

Mr Green · 2008-02-03 07:06:04

Wondering about esata? if there would be any speed improvement over usb... you know like connecting an external drive!

ibendiben · 2008-02-03 08:12:36

raymano wrote:

Yes Sigi. It does. It augments hwd and works well for AIGLX. Any improvements are appreciated.

Here's what I would change:

#!/bin/bash

yes | hwd -xa 2>&1 > /dev/null

# When using vesa driver use the xorg.conf generated by hwd
grep "Driver.*vesa" /etc/X11/xorg.conf && exit

cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep -v Modes | grep -v "Load .*ddc" | grep -v "Option .*DPMS" | grep -v DefaultColorDepth | grep -v "by Archie" > /tmp/xorg.conf

echo "Section \"Extensions\"" >> /tmp/xorg.conf
echo "   Option \"Composite\" \"true\"" >> /tmp/xorg.conf
echo "EndSection" >> /tmp/xorg.conf

# Now rebuild xorg.conf
rm -f /etc/X11/xorg.conf 2>&1 > /dev/null

cat /tmp/xorg.conf | while read line
do
    echo $line >> /etc/X11/xorg.conf

    if [ "$(echo $line | grep -i "^ *Section.*ServerLayout")" != "" ]
        then
        echo "Option \"AIGLX\" \"true\"" >> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
    fi

    if [ "$(echo $line | grep -i "^ *Section  *\"Device\"")" != "" ]
    then
                echo "Option \"VBERestore\" \"true\"" >> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
            echo "Option \"DRI\" \"true\"" >> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
            echo "Option \"XAANoOffscreenPixmaps\" \"true\"" >> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
        fi
done

to:

#!/bin/bash

yes | hwd -xa 2>&1 > /dev/null

# When using vesa driver use the xorg.conf generated by hwd
grep "Driver.*vesa" /etc/X11/xorg.conf && exit

sed -n '/Modes\|Load .*ddc\|Option .*DPMS\|DefaultColorDepth\|by Archie\|AIGLX\|VBERestore\|DRI\|XAANoOffscreenPixmaps/p;$a\Section "Extensions"\n   Option "Composite" "true"\nEndSection' /etc/X11/xorg.conf >/tmp/xorg.conf

# Now rebuild xorg.conf
rm -f /etc/X11/xorg.conf 2>&1 > /dev/null

sed '/^ *Section.*"Serverlayout"/a\Option   "AIGLX" "true";/^ *Section.*"Device"/a\Option   "VBERestore" "true"\n   Option "DRI" "true"\n   Option "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps" "true"' /tmp/xorg.conf >/etc/X11/xorg.conf

Can't be sure it works though, cause I couln't test it...

Last edited by ibendiben (2008-02-03 09:28:42)

Sigi · 2008-02-03 09:38:09

Thanks raymano and ibendiben, actually I think I'll stay with xorg autoconfiguration for the moment because I don't really need fglrx and AIGLX and stuff on my LiveUSB and xorg autodetection works quite well for me. Thanks again!

z4ziggy · 2008-02-03 10:38:10

The Archie project hadn't died, it simply hit a stall. I'm working in the last few days on repackaging the entire Archie repository (finally finished the squashfs3.3 with LZMA - i'm proud to say we'll be the 1st to use 3.3 with LZMA ) and i'll post a link to the latest iso and finally release the scripts as well so you can all enjoy the easiness of creating your own isos/distros.

Last edited by z4ziggy (2008-02-03 10:38:44)

Mr Green · 2008-02-03 11:07:27

wb Ziggy \o7

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