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idjut

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From: Oslo

Registered: 2006-05-15

Posts: 177

Kernel 2.6.24 and hard freeze of x

Here's yet another problem with the new kernel. System freezes after a while without errors and I don't know yet if it's related, but starting soulseek client nicotine seems to be a sure winner to render the system unusable. This also happened with running only kazehakase also though. Only solution then is to pull the plug.

Logs seems normal ..

$  dmesg | tail
eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1
[drm] Initialized drm 1.1.0 20060810
ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:02.0[A] -> Link [LNKA] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11
PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:02.0 to 64
[drm] Initialized i915 1.6.0 20060119 on minor 0
PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:02.1 to 64
[drm] Initialized i915 1.6.0 20060119 on minor 1
NET: Registered protocol family 10
lo: Disabled Privacy Extensions
eth0: no IPv6 routers present

$  cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | tail
(**) Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
(**) PS/2 Mouse: ZAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5
(**) PS/2 Mouse: Buttons: 9
(**) PS/2 Mouse: Sensitivity: 1
(II) evaluating device (PS/2 Mouse)
(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "PS/2 Mouse" (type: MOUSE)
(II) evaluating device (Keyboard0)
(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Keyboard0" (type: KEYBOARD)
(--) PS/2 Mouse: PnP-detected protocol: "ExplorerPS/2"
(II) PS/2 Mouse: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded

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CuleX

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Registered: 2007-09-15

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Re: Kernel 2.6.24 and hard freeze of x

Are the "magic SysRq"-Keys working?

idjut

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From: Oslo

Registered: 2006-05-15

Posts: 177

Re: Kernel 2.6.24 and hard freeze of x

Caps lock and num lock are not working at least. Dont know how to see if the sysrq is ..

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sokkalf

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Registered: 2007-06-18

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Re: Kernel 2.6.24 and hard freeze of x

I experienced the same thing... when I rebooted my LVM volume wouldn't mount without manually fsck'ing it.. this happened twice. I then disabled LVM (the volume was empty anyway), and have been running since with no lockups. Maybe it's related.. I really don't have time to do much testing, though.

CuleX

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Re: Kernel 2.6.24 and hard freeze of x

Caps lock and num lock are not working at least. Dont know how to see if the sysrq is ..

If possible, first try to recover from ssh! The SysRq keys are really only for an emergency

We will see, if you do the following in EXACTLY this order, you may want to write it on paper. Please wait after every step a couple of seconds.
(SysRq is called Print Screen or written out as System Request on some keyboards)

ALT-SysRq-r (Gives the kernel the full control about your keyboard)
ALT-SysRq-k (This should kill your XServer and everything below it)
Ctrl-Alt-F1 (Sets you to some console, may be not required)

If Ctrl-Alt-F1 fails or displays nothing, continue:

ALT-SysRq-e (Sends SIGTERM to everything except for init)
ALT-SysRq-i (Sends SIGKILL to everything except for init (You won't be able to do anything useful except for the SysRq keys after that))
ALT-SysRq-s (Performs a sync on all disks, please wait at least one minute, or, if you can see some sort of console, an "OK" or "Done" message appears)
ALT-SysRq-u (Remounts everything read-only, please wait at least one minute, or, if you can see some sort of console, an "OK" or "Done" message appears)
ALT-SysRq-b (Reboots your system forced)

idjut

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From: Oslo

Registered: 2006-05-15

Posts: 177

Re: Kernel 2.6.24 and hard freeze of x

Hardware is an old fujitsu biblo (which I think corresponds to the amilo series in the western world). I see people on ubuntu have problems with this kernel and ati card, I however use i810 driver not ati. Dri is disabled. I dont use ndiswrapper either as it seems this also causes problems.

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idjut

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From: Oslo

Registered: 2006-05-15

Posts: 177

Re: Kernel 2.6.24 and hard freeze of x

We will see, if you do the following in EXACTLY this order, you may want to write it on paper. Please wait after every step a couple of seconds.
(SysRq is called Print Screen or written out as System Request on some keyboards)

ALT-SysRq-r (Gives the kernel the full control about your keyboard)
ALT-SysRq-k (This should kill your XServer and everything below it)
Ctrl-Alt-F1 (Sets you to some console, may be not required)

It doesn't work

But thanks for the advice nontheless! I was missing a ctrl alt del reboot alternative

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"Men have called me mad; but the question is not yet settled, whether madness is or is not the loftiest intelligence– whether much that is glorious– whether all that is profound– does not spring from disease of thought– from moods of mind exalted at the expense of the general intellect." - E. A. Poe from Eleonora

CuleX

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Registered: 2007-09-15

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Re: Kernel 2.6.24 and hard freeze of x

We will see, if you do the following in EXACTLY this order, you may want to write it on paper. Please wait after every step a couple of seconds.
(SysRq is called Print Screen or written out as System Request on some keyboards)

ALT-SysRq-r (Gives the kernel the full control about your keyboard)
ALT-SysRq-k (This should kill your XServer and everything below it)
Ctrl-Alt-F1 (Sets you to some console, may be not required)

It doesn't work

But thanks for the advice nontheless! I was missing a ctrl alt del reboot alternative

Uhhh... The kernel got REALLY fucked up, in this case. I think that's a BIG bug in either some drivers or in the kernel. Downgrading to 2.6.23 seems to be dumb, after the HUGE root exploit...

idjut

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From: Oslo

Registered: 2006-05-15

Posts: 177

Re: Kernel 2.6.24 and hard freeze of x

Uhhh... The kernel got REALLY fucked up, in this case. I think that's a BIG bug in either some drivers or in the kernel. Downgrading to 2.6.23 seems to be dumb, after the HUGE root exploit...

I will just be waiting for an update then and run without x in the meanwhile

Thanks for the advices anyway

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Shirakawasuna

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Registered: 2007-03-09

Posts: 94

Re: Kernel 2.6.24 and hard freeze of x

I have the same issue here, I'm not sure what causes it (seems to be random-ish), and it leaves no messages.  My laptop has stupid Fn+ keys for SysRq, so that never works, although I haven't tried to ssh in.  I have intel hardware, use ndiswrapper.

Evanlec

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Registered: 2007-12-16

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Re: Kernel 2.6.24 and hard freeze of x

have had a couple lockups similar to the above after 2.6.24 upgrade as well
no clue what the cause is.

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idjut

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From: Oslo

Registered: 2006-05-15

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Re: Kernel 2.6.24 and hard freeze of x

My laptop has stupid Fn+ keys for SysRq, so that never works,

Oh, I have that too.

Seems turning off dri in xorg.conf relieves the problem a little bit

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"Men have called me mad; but the question is not yet settled, whether madness is or is not the loftiest intelligence– whether much that is glorious– whether all that is profound– does not spring from disease of thought– from moods of mind exalted at the expense of the general intellect." - E. A. Poe from Eleonora

exiguous

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Registered: 2007-11-11

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Re: Kernel 2.6.24 and hard freeze of x

The magic SysRq key will not work unless it's enabled.

You can change this in /etc/sysctl.conf:

kernel.sysrq = 0

to

kernel.sysrq = 1

http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Remote-Serial-Con … sysrq.html

Last edited by exiguous (2008-02-18 17:38:53)

Shirakawasuna

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Re: Kernel 2.6.24 and hard freeze of x

So is the general plan to wait for a new .24 release or .25?

idjut

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Registered: 2006-05-15

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Re: Kernel 2.6.24 and hard freeze of x

So is the general plan to wait for a new .24 release or .25?

I downgraded the kernel ..

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idjut

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From: Oslo

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Re: Kernel 2.6.24 and hard freeze of x

Now I'm curious as to what experiences people have with the kernel26 2.6.24.3-3

Anyone tried it yet?

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mvidberg

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Registered: 2007-08-31

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Re: Kernel 2.6.24 and hard freeze of x

Now I'm curious as to what experiences people have with the kernel26 2.6.24.3-3

Anyone tried it yet?

I'm not sure if my problem is exactly the same
( see http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=45174 )
but I am running kernel26 2.6.24.3-3

gen2

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Registered: 2006-09-07

Posts: 32

Re: Kernel 2.6.24 and hard freeze of x

I have been getting the same problem. Although i have no idea what the cause is, no errors in any of the logs.

The time between crashes seesm to be variable and it doesn't seem to matter what i'm running. Although i've found it to crash more often when i'm in the screensaver (opengl matrix one)

Running: gnome+openbox+64bit version of kernel

I beleive the crashing is now starting to cause damage to files since my netstatus applet in gnome doesn't work anymore.

i'm at the point where i might downgrade. 2.6.23 was quite fine.

gen2

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Registered: 2006-09-07

Posts: 32

Re: Kernel 2.6.24 and hard freeze of x

just an update. the none of the sysreq keys except for reboot work.

Another thing i've noticed is that its been quite consistent that syslog-ng has gone through its log collecting process when it fails.

Shirakawasuna

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Registered: 2007-03-09

Posts: 94

Re: Kernel 2.6.24 and hard freeze of x

I've been running 2.6.24.3-3 for a couple days now, no freeze.  I'll update if/when it does, though.

flateric

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Registered: 2007-08-28

Posts: 52

Re: Kernel 2.6.24 and hard freeze of x

Hello,

I have same problem, hard random freezes. SysRq not working and logs empty. It seems to me, that more crashes comes with bigger disk/cpu/memory usage (typicaly backuping data to external usb disk).
I've tried some stress tests and I think, that it's not HW problem (corrupted memory etc.). I've no idea, where problem is.

HW: Thinkapd/Lenovo z61m
Video drivers: catalyst 8.3-1
Kernel: kernel26 2.6.24.3-3
Desktop environment: KDE 3.5.9

PS: Sorry for my english

Shirakawasuna

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Registered: 2007-03-09

Posts: 94

Re: Kernel 2.6.24 and hard freeze of x

Nevermind, complete crashage about an  hour after my last post.  Darn 2.6.24... Has anyone tried out 2.6.25?

prurigro

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Registered: 2008-03-14

Posts: 18

Re: Kernel 2.6.24 and hard freeze of x

I noticed you have an intel chipset, are you running beryl/compiz/compiz-fusion with vsync enabled, any opengl applications or any programs rendered in the backends with ogl for that matter when the crash occurs? This sounds very similar to the vsync bug (which also happens randomly and is related to intel hardware + vsync in opengl applications such as xscreensaver or compiz-fusion) if it does theres a fix you could try at my post here : http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=45429 -- something worth noting is that my problem would sometimes happen shortly after ending an opengl application (not just during) and the freeze leaves the image and mouse frozen in place on the screen.

Last edited by prurigro (2008-03-14 06:03:55)

Shirakawasuna

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Registered: 2007-03-09

Posts: 94

Re: Kernel 2.6.24 and hard freeze of x

No, I have AIGLX/compositing disabled and am using no opengl apps when the computer hard freezes.  Usually it crashes during web browsing and switching tabs, for me, although it could be random.

pitseleh

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Registered: 2008-03-14

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Re: Kernel 2.6.24 and hard freeze of x

Same issues here on an Acer Aspire 9300 with some kind of NVidia designed motherboard, AMD Turion and a GeForce Go 6150. Truely at random. Downgrading the kernel would also mean downgrading ndiswrapper and nvidia packages.