Kernel 2.6.24 and hard freeze of x

shaurz · 2008-03-15 00:27:48

I have this same problem. Plug in a USB mouse, it should work, so you can reboot.

Stef · 2008-03-28 17:28:46

Has anybody posted a Bugreport on that?

http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/7513
seems to be a similar Bug. I experience the same problem randomly. Total Lockup. Not even Magic Keys worked.
A bit frustrating, i'm using Arch not for long, But not even on a Gentoo System i experienced such a Bug.

Running on 2.6.24.3-5 Kernel. Updated from stable to testing kernel. Previous 2.6.24.3-3. Didn't tried to run .4.
Also seems to be some graphics card issue, I use xorg ati driver.
Quite a lot of people commented on that above Bugreport. But not an solution there after all that time.

Any comments? suggestions?

idjut · 2008-04-02 10:16:47

Hm, I wonder if this might be a crossroad where the new kernels get incompatible with older hardware (as mine) ?

I downgraded the kernel in january and havent updated since then.

Shirakawasuna · 2008-04-07 04:52:12

I'm going to write up a bug report, assuming one doesn't already exist, but first I'd like to know 1. everyone's hardware configuration and 2. the exact problem.

1. I'm running a dell 1300, so intel graphics (915gm), intel mobo (82801FB), intel sound. Everything is intel except for a broadcom wireless card and a broadcom ethernet device, BCM4318 and BCM4401-B0, respectively.

2. If I run a 2.6.24 kernel I will eventually encounter a hard freeze from which I can't recover - I cannot ssh in or ctrl+alt+backspace. ctrl+alt+sysrq+K is not available to me. The logs I have say nothing about this - they merely stop when the computer freezes.

Anyone else?

flateric · 2008-04-08 11:11:43

Hello,

same problem, configuration :

HW: Thinkapd/Lenovo z61m
Video drivers: catalyst 8.3-2
Kernel: kernel26 2.6.24.4-1
Sound: snd_hda_intel
Desktop environment: KDE 3.5.9

Tigertailz · 2008-04-10 16:24:29

Im having same problem

P4 3ghz
videodrivers - radeon driver
Kernel: kernel26 - latest from rep
Sound: Emu 0404
DE: Gnome 2.20

suser · 2008-04-10 21:31:06

I hope I don't get chewed out for posting here, but I just wanted to chime in with what may or may not be unrelated...I hope this helps.

This is the first time in ages that I experienced these kinds of hard freezes....can't raise elephants, can't do anything. All I did was upgrade my kde to version 3.5.9 (from 3.5.5) and upgraded my kernel from 2.6.18.8-0.9 to 2.6.18.8-915.1.

Before doing this, my system was stable. Now I'm experiencing these hard freezes. Sometimes it takes a 10 hours, other times it takes a few days. I'm usually just surfing the web, downloading on bt, have pidgin running...

My system is a stock Dell XPS-450 (yeah, it's an old P3-450) Voodoo3 graphics card, Hauphauge vid card. Rest is standard. Running Suse10.2, KDE 3.5.9.

Hope this info helps in some way.

EDITED TO ADD:

No DRI, no composite, SBLive.

Last edited by suser (2008-04-10 21:44:13)

kefir · 2008-04-11 05:04:55

Same issue here. Using an Acer aspire 5021 WLMI (Turion 64,ATI X700 Mobile gfx).

Only thing that works is mashing the powerbutton

EDIT : Turns out that the latest catalyst driver was the problem for me, downgraded and haven't had any more freezes since.

Last edited by kefir (2008-04-12 18:09:34)

arunvragh · 2008-04-11 06:42:31

Same problem here. Compaq V3000 series laptop with AMD Turion 64 (not dual core) Nvidia Go 6150 Graphics card, nVidia Corporation MCP51 Ethernet Controller, nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2), Broadcom Corporation BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI (rev 01) arch 64 OS.

I am having this problem ever since updating to kernel 2.6.24 a month back. I,ve tried everything from all forums. Nothing works, including downgrading Alsa to 1.0.15.

To me it seems to be a IRQ issue. Maybe a BIOS update is needed. I use ndiswrapper and wicd for network connectivity. The freezes last between 30 secs and 5 minutes but always comes back. It happens even on console (without X) so it is either an IRQ issue or a kernel driver problem. Dmesg says driver sr and sd need updating use Bus type methods.

Maybe it is time to say goodbye to Arch. I have enjoyed it so far

Tigertailz · 2008-04-11 10:20:01

These seems like a huge problems, any words from devs yet ?

pitseleh · 2008-04-11 17:00:23

arunvragh wrote:

Same problem here. Compaq V3000 series laptop with AMD Turion 64 (not dual core) Nvidia Go 6150 Graphics card, nVidia Corporation MCP51 Ethernet Controller, nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2), Broadcom Corporation BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI (rev 01) arch 64 OS.
I am having this problem ever since updating to kernel 2.6.24 a month back. I,ve tried everything from all forums. Nothing works, including downgrading Alsa to 1.0.15.
To me it seems to be a IRQ issue. Maybe a BIOS update is needed. I use ndiswrapper and wicd for network connectivity. The freezes last between 30 secs and 5 minutes but always comes back. It happens even on console (without X) so it is either an IRQ issue or a kernel driver problem. Dmesg says driver sr and sd need updating use Bus type methods.
Maybe it is time to say goodbye to Arch. I have enjoyed it so far

Sounds almost exactly like my Acer laptop. This problem's been happening for me with every 2.6.24 kernel I've tried, but 2.6.25 fixes it. I don't know if it's arch specific as I haven't tried 2.6.24 on a different distro.. I tried to switch when this happened but it was in vein, Arch is too good and a custom kernel with ndiswrapper and nvidia modules took about 3 minutes of work and 30 minutes downloading/compiling..

flateric · 2008-04-12 17:58:46

Some similar bug here : http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/9698

I'm trying firefox 3 beta5 now instead firefox 2. Now I've 2 days uptime (with some hibernation of course). I'll let You known, if this help me or if lockup comes.

idjut · 2008-04-14 16:17:28

Setup:

Fujitsu FMV Biblo MG10A (japanese model corresponding to Amilo series) notepad.
Intel(R) Pentium(R) III Mobile CPU 1000MHz GenuineIntel
2.6.24 kernel
i810 video driver (that gives me some strange effects anyway)

Loke · 2008-04-14 18:50:04

Same problem here, mine is however not a laptop.

Specs:
Intel Core 2 Duo 6400 - 2,13GHz
Sound: emu10k1
Video: nvidia
Kernel: 2.6.24

I am not using the testing repo, and I cannot reproduce the freeze, it just happens randomly. The system locks up completely, no keys, not ANYTHING is responding; only way out is reboot button on my case.

arunvragh · 2008-04-15 06:18:37

compiled kernel 2.6.25-rc9 - still no joy. I used my existing config. Is that OK? What do you mean by compiling nvidia and ndiswrapper modules in the kernel. Works fine with Ubuntu hardy on kernel 2.6.24-16

.:B:. · 2008-04-15 07:08:38

CuleX wrote:

idjut wrote:
CuleX wrote:
We will see, if you do the following in EXACTLY this order, you may want to write it on paper. Please wait after every step a couple of seconds.
(SysRq is called Print Screen or written out as System Request on some keyboards)
ALT-SysRq-r (Gives the kernel the full control about your keyboard)
ALT-SysRq-k (This should kill your XServer and everything below it)
Ctrl-Alt-F1 (Sets you to some console, may be not required)
It doesn't work
But thanks for the advice nontheless! I was missing a ctrl alt del reboot alternative
Uhhh... The kernel got REALLY fucked up, in this case. I think that's a BIG bug in either some drivers or in the kernel. Downgrading to 2.6.23 seems to be dumb, after the HUGE root exploit...

The 'huge root exploit' can be fixed by patching a few lines of code, and I will bet you Debian is still on 2.6.18 with that fix backported .

Just check the git commit to see for yourself; if you're lazy you can get the prepped patch for 2.6.23.

arunvragh wrote:

compiled kernel 2.6.25-rc9 - still no joy. I used my existing config. Is that OK? What do you mean by compiling nvidia and ndiswrapper modules in the kernel. Works fine with Ubuntu hardy on kernel 2.6.24-16

No. You have to update the config, this can be done by running 'make oldconfig' or by calling one of the kernel configuration GUIs and going through everything manually (but that is not recommended).

I myself have had bad lockups on 2.6.24 (several, sometimes even within 10 minutes after booting!) but thought it was due to my new system (I only got this new laptop two weeks ago). I have been running 2.6.25 RC9 for a few days though and no lockups - as a matter of fact this box has been up for 1 day and 10 hours, compiling, downloading torrents, doing encrypted file transfers over WLAN, etc. . No issues anymore.

Last edited by B (2008-04-15 07:13:20)

arunvragh · 2008-04-15 11:22:41

Of course I did 'make oldconfig' and 'make menuconfig' chose the defaults and proceeded. Did not succeed with the makepkg method as mkinitcpio was not called to build the image, neither was there any old config option.

I called mkinitcpio -k option and built the image, copied it as per the instructions and was able to boot. It did hang once, but I was no able to build the nvidia module. Now I understand there is a beta Nvidia driver which builds against 2.6.25 (173.08).

Maybe another shot at that later today.

I did a claen install o Arch and so far I have had only one freeze (in console). It could be a keyboard issue or a mouse issue (My touchpad is listed as an IMPS/2 mouse in xorg.conf). It used to work flawlessly in 2.6.23.

I still feel there is an issue with either the IRQ assigning or else there must be a start on the dmesg 'driver sd needs updating - pl use bus type methods.

All the recent gcc, dbus, kernel and mkinicpio updates have left something awry on certain hardware, I guess.

I have not dared to play music so far.

.:B:. · 2008-04-15 13:45:55

Well - since you didn't mention you did a make oldconfig I presumed you didn't - I can't smell that right .

The message about drivers needing updating is pretty much harmless, so don't worry about that. It's just a consequence of enabling some report mechanism about deprecated functions in the code afaik.

I think it is a lockup of the complete system (others have mentioned being unable to SSH in already), when mpd locks up too it's not just X - you can restart X just fine, mpd will continue playing like nothing happened usually. So this goes pretty deep.

arunvragh · 2008-04-16 08:21:30

Maybe..

I have NVRM bad address in dmesg | tail

This issue has threads running into hundreds.

One says compile a kernel without cache aliasing.. I don't know where to start for this... honestly

If this is what is causing lock ups is there any patch available..could any techie help?

suser · 2008-04-17 18:33:33

This is an update to my previous message here: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php? … 16#p354016

It appears that in my case, just upgrading to a newer build of KDE3 base packages from the suse repos has fixed my hard-freeze problems. I'm still on the the same kernel as before and I've been up approx 7 days since the last time I experienced these hard freezes. Everything is running peachy and back to normal. phew!

I hope the rest of you can sort out your problems as easily as I have.

Best of luck!

arunvragh · 2008-04-18 00:29:23

My problem persists. Even on a custom 2.6.25-rc9 kernel. It seems to be related to some issue about init_mm function being deprecated in recent kernels. But I have tried all the patches to the driver and the kernel from Nvidia forums, still no joy.

Hers's my dmesg | tail output

NVRM: please see the README section on Cache Aliasing for more information
NVRM: bad caching on address 0xffff810004e91000: actual 0x173 != expected 0x17b
NVRM: bad caching on address 0xffff810004e92000: actual 0x173 != expected 0x17b
NVRM: bad caching on address 0xffff810004e93000: actual 0x173 != expected 0x17b
NVRM: bad caching on address 0xffff810004e94000: actual 0x173 != expected 0x17b
NVRM: bad caching on address 0xffff810004e95000: actual 0x173 != expected 0x17b
NVRM: bad caching on address 0xffff810004e96000: actual 0x173 != expected 0x17b
NVRM: bad caching on address 0xffff810004e97000: actual 0x173 != expected 0x17b
NVRM: bad caching on address 0xffff810034827000: actual 0x173 != expected 0x17b
NVRM: bad caching on address 0xffff810034943000: actual 0x173 != expected 0x17b

I don't know if this is causing the hard freeze, sometimes I also get atkbd.c errors about unknown key pressed along with the NVRM errors.

Is there any known workaround?

My lspci output:

00:00.0 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Host Bridge (rev a2)
00:00.1 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 0 (rev a2)
00:00.2 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 1 (rev a2)
00:00.3 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 5 (rev a2)
00:00.4 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 4 (rev a2)
00:00.5 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Host Bridge (rev a2)
00:00.6 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 3 (rev a2)
00:00.7 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 2 (rev a2)
00:02.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation C51 PCI Express Bridge (rev a1)
00:03.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation C51 PCI Express Bridge (rev a1)
00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51 [Geforce 6150 Go] (rev a2)
00:09.0 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation MCP51 Host Bridge (rev a2)
00:0a.0 ISA bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP51 LPC Bridge (rev a3)
00:0a.1 SMBus: nVidia Corporation MCP51 SMBus (rev a3)
00:0a.3 Co-processor: nVidia Corporation MCP51 PMU (rev a3)
00:0b.0 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation MCP51 USB Controller (rev a3)
00:0b.1 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation MCP51 USB Controller (rev a3)
00:0d.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP51 IDE (rev f1)
00:0e.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP51 Serial ATA Controller (rev f1)
00:10.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP51 PCI Bridge (rev a2)
00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
00:14.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP51 Ethernet Controller (rev a3)
00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] HyperTransport Technology Configuration
00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Address Map
00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] DRAM Controller
00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Miscellaneous Control
01:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI (rev 01)
03:09.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller
03:09.1 SD Host controller: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host Adapter (rev 19)
03:09.2 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C843 MMC Host Controller (rev 0a)
03:09.3 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C592 Memory Stick Bus Host Adapter (rev 05)
03:09.4 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd xD-Picture Card Controller (rev ff)
[arun@arun ~]$

RobbeR49 · 2008-04-18 02:02:05

flateric wrote:

Some similar bug here : http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/9698

The major difference being that I'm getting actual errors in my logs, but perhaps it's the same cause?

Crossing fingers that 2.26.25 clears this up when it hits the repos... these random freezes are exasperating.

*update: a week with no crashes running 2.26.25, seems everything is fixed.

Last edited by RobbeR49 (2008-04-28 01:15:03)

Shirakawasuna · 2008-04-20 10:11:42

Weird, I don't see any commonalities. Is everyone here getting the same issue, that is a hard lock, usually during some graphical activity, that leaves no useful log information? Perhaps the bug is more general...

.:B:. · 2008-04-20 11:41:11

For me 2.6.25 works fine, the problem seems to have shifted though - it hangs at boot now two out of three times...

Stef · 2008-04-22 01:43:35

hmmm.... just upgraded to 2.6.25 from testing and still the same problem.

But now i found a way to reproduce the bug. Just start glxgears and your whole system except the mouse crashes. Only Hard Reset possible after that. Do you have the same issue when starting glxgears?

But nothing in the logs still.

I'm running radeon xorg driver. Here is my lspci output:

00:00.0 Host bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 746 Host (rev 10)
00:01.0 PCI bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SG86C202
00:02.0 ISA bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS964 [MuTIOL Media IO] (rev 36)
00:02.5 IDE interface: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5513 [IDE] (rev 01)
00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] AC'97 Sound Controller (rev a0)
00:03.0 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller (rev 0f)
00:03.1 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller (rev 0f)
00:03.2 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller (rev 0f)
00:03.3 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 2.0 Controller
00:04.0 Ethernet controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS900 PCI Fast Ethernet (rev 90)
00:05.0 RAID bus controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] RAID bus controller 180 SATA/PATA  [SiS] (rev 01)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE]

Last edited by Stef (2008-04-22 01:51:44)

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