Kernel 2.6.24 and hard freeze of x

cordawyn · 2008-04-22 20:28:56

I've been experiencing the same problem too, but just the other day I tried turning off the shadow memory in BIOS, and the system got back to "normal" state. No more freezes (for a whole day, yay!). Hope, this helps.

Stef · 2008-04-27 19:01:23

I tried Ubuntu with the 2.6.24 kernel. Even there the same Issue. Then this must be an upstream problem which hadn't been fixed by a proper patch.

I'm trying to reinstall an older Arch some day with an older kernel release. Kernel compilation with that system is not an option right now.

cordaywn: Did you try to run glxgears? I cannot disable shared memory at my PC.

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arunvragh · 2008-04-28 03:57:24

Yeah, my bios has no provision for disabling shadow memeory. Is there any other way to do it?

idjut · 2008-04-29 14:20:18

Thanks for continually updating me on the problem. Wonder when the new kernel is out tho..

cordawyn · 2008-04-29 18:41:02

Stef: glxgear works fine here.

Regretfully, I don't know other means of disabling shadow memory except using BIOS

arunvragh · 2008-04-30 05:41:38

It appears that this problem also exists in the 2.6.25 kernel from testing. I read a thread somewhere on some kinda kernel mailing list (kerneltrap, I think) that this is due to the merging of arch (i386 and x86_64) to x86. It appears that the problem is with time.c and apparently there is no correct patch so far.

kungfoo · 2008-05-02 16:36:40

Loke wrote:

Same problem here, mine is however not a laptop.
Specs:
Intel Core 2 Duo 6400 - 2,13GHz
Sound: emu10k1
Video: nvidia
Kernel: 2.6.24
I am not using the testing repo, and I cannot reproduce the freeze, it just happens randomly. The system locks up completely, no keys, not ANYTHING is responding; only way out is reboot button on my case.

Similarish hardware here.

- Core2Duo 8400 @ 3Ghz
- NVidia 8800
- Sound: envy24 base (M-Audio 1010)
- kernel 2.6.24

System froze like 5 times today. This is really annoying while your coding on your bachelors thesis!

Stef · 2008-05-02 21:16:47

Today I ran Knoppix 5.2 with kernel 2.6.19.7 and i tried to run glxgears. --SUCCESSFULLY!!!!

Then i decided to compile the 2.6.19.7 kernel on my Arch with the kernel config from Knoppix.
And when i was finished with compiling and ran the kernel i encountered the same hard freeze on glxgears with the old 2.6.19.7 kernel.

Now I'm unsure if this is kernel related. Maybe a strange X Problem? Don't know!

Although i have to mention that this also happened with Ubuntus latest "HARDY HERON".
I'm now about to file a bug on this 3D/glxgears (any other 3D programm too) issue very soon.
I'm wondering if the freeze on the invocation of glxgears and the random freeze problem is the same.

So here is my demand:
ANYBODY ENCOUNTERING A FREEZE, PLEASE RUN GLXGEARS AND REPORT YOUR RESULTS HERE!

Would be nice if you can help.

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berbae · 2008-05-02 22:36:52

kungfoo wrote:

System froze like 5 times today. This is really annoying while your coding on your bachelors thesis!

Did you try the 'nv' driver instead of the proprietary 'nvidia' ? to write your thesis you don't need 3D acceleration.
It's just a suggestion to help...

arunvragh · 2008-05-03 03:49:13

The issue remains with nv, vesa etc. It is specific to kernel 2.6.24. I am running arch. Reinstalled with an old Don't panic CD and upgraded everything with pacman -Syu --ignore kernel26. I am using kernel 2.6.22.9k to normal and everything else is up to date. No freezes nothing . Back to normal. It is definetely a kernel26 issue, esp on x86_64 machines. Maybe should file a bug at kernel.org or send a message to Linus Torvalds. Anyone have his email id?

Stef · 2008-05-03 08:29:00

The random freeze problem is maybe a kernel issue (very likely). I did the same what u did and stayed with kernel 2.6.22 after a reinstall. I'm not havin a random freeze anymore, but also i had little uptime, so i was unsure.

But the freeze on a 3d using application still happened with 2.6.19.7, so i'm sure the problem is a different one and not kernel related. So now i'm filing a bug report on that 3d problem.

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Stef · 2008-05-03 09:02:37

Here is the bugreport for only the glxgears problem:
http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/10345

But i must say the random freeze happened also with the old 2.6.19.7, so maybe this is not kernel related. I experienced it while reporting the above bug.

arunvragh · 2008-05-04 15:28:02

Well, early days yet, but I think 2.6.25.1, the latest kernel at kernel.org has fixed this. I have compiled a custom kernel ( with my old config) and haven't had a freeze fo a few hours now. Will continue monitoring. Funny dmesg tail still gives me errors about NVRM bad address and setkeycodes, but no freeze. Sound quality is marginally bad compared to 2.6.22.

Just will have to wait and see.

.:B:. · 2008-05-06 09:45:37

It hasn't over here. I just built 2.6.25.1 myself too, since 2.6.25 RC9 I haven't had any runtime lockups (only boot lockups), but now I did, with a USB device plugged in - usually it only locks during boot. We'll see how it goes, but this is fairly irritating. Almost worse than Windows!

arunvragh · 2008-05-06 12:51:26

Hmm, I just plugged in a USB stick, it was OK. Transferred some files too.

Maybe errors are different on different hardware configurations. Beats me. I havent' had a single lock up since I posted that reply

BackSlaSh · 2008-05-06 22:21:56

I have the same problem on my laptop (acer aspire 1680,intel centrino, ati mobility 9700), started about 1 week ago, i think after an update.
Tried kernel 2.6.24, 2.6.25-1 from testing, 2.6.25-2-ice from AUR, with OS and Catalyst ati drivers, i think that is related to composite/3d accelleration, tried to disable composite and it seemed to last longer, then freezed just after i run compiz-fusion.

No problem on my desk(athlon xp 64, nvidia 6800) even if i have almost the same programs installed, kinda weird

Re-Edit: it freezes even with composite disabled, but surely not in console nor on windows

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inXistant · 2008-05-06 22:34:30

I am on HP tx1420ca

AMD Turion X2
Nvidia GeForce Go 6 series
Kernel 2.6.25-1

I have some random freeze but they occur once a week or so...

kungfoo · 2008-05-06 23:56:15

glxgears doesn't crash my system. Actually I need 3d in my thesis. Not as fast as my graphics card would put out, though.
Still with nv the random freezes persist.

con · 2008-05-07 19:06:54

me too...was running 2.6.23.14 fine until a couple of weeks ago I get these freezes. thought something had changed with Arch so I updated to ARCH kernel same problem still. glxgears dont have any effect on my system, runs as fine as before.

arch 32bit current
nvidia 8800
amd x2 5600+
nvidia 570 chipset

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matahari · 2008-05-15 00:09:51

yuks.. the freeze is back after update to 2.6.25.3-1, it was fine with 2.6.25-1 (both from testing), anyway mostly the freeze happened when using firefox3

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arunvragh · 2008-05-15 04:45:33

Right, it is happening with 2.6.25.3 from testing, but not with what I compiled from kernel.org. Funny I used the old config. Now this raises an issue. If there is no freeze using a compiled kernel and the same kernel version freezes when using the Arch package from testing, is it still an upstream issue? This beats me

matahari · 2008-05-15 07:10:58

^ do you mind sharing your config ?

.:B:. · 2008-05-15 09:49:43

arunvragh wrote:

Right, it is happening with 2.6.25.3 from testing, but not with what I compiled from kernel.org. Funny I used the old config. Now this raises an issue. If there is no freeze using a compiled kernel and the same kernel version freezes when using the Arch package from testing, is it still an upstream issue? This beats me

How long have you running your own kernel and the one from testing?

Stef · 2008-05-15 11:20:37

Just an idea, my glxgears problem has been solved and till now i have no random lockups.

Put
Option "AGPMode" "1"

in your xorg.conf. Maybe this helps.

dante4d · 2008-05-15 11:42:42

Just to let you know, my X occasionally hangs right after doing 'startx'. Just before swithcing to the X resolution, there's flashing cursor in the upper left corner of the screen. If it stops flashing, I have to pres the powr button for 4 seconds . Otherwise, everytginh works fine. No lockups.

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