Where do I start, and where does this end...

scav · 2008-02-18 21:37:44

Well, about a week ago I issued 'pacman -Syu, up to this point I had a fully working laptop system (acpi=off, but other than that) with great audio, nvidia hardware rendering, working aMSN and so on and so on.

Now, I found myself with a totaly useless system, so I removed every config file in ~/ to no luck, also did this with root.
I now try to be smart about it, and reinstalls arch. From a livecd to get the latest off the net. I even use an US mirror to make sure the packages I receive are the latest. No luck. As I boot in, I find myself in an even MORE sloppy system (if that was possible in the first place).
I cannot use Nvidia hardware rendering, I have to sit in "vesa" like im living in 1992. Then I try to play some music, oh no, every single good management utility out there utilizing gstreamer is messing up. Then, in the end, I manage to get over this issue. Now, I sit there with every single audio management application fully functionally, EXEPT - I cannot play a damn song without shattering, cracking and at the very end (about 10-15 sec into the song) it stops playing or the application crashes. Oh and yes, I got every single gstreamer lib in the world. I also tried to run XMMS to check it it was a gstreamer or related issue. XMMS plays my music fine, but it crash about once every 3-4 minutes, which needles to say is a huge pain in the a##!

Now I even can`t get aMSN with UTF-8 to register that I am from Norway and that I want to be able to use the letters "æøå".

All in all I have NEVER had any issues with Linux like the ones I am experiencing right now, not with ArchLinux, not with Gentoo and not with Debian. EVER. It feels as if the updates done 1-2 weeks ago totally wrecked Archlinux and I refuse to believe me to be the only one affected by this mess.

I know allot of people use the term "this is all i need, then I can stick to archlinux for ever" or "I will leave archlinux if this is not resolved". I will not go there, but where I will go is here: FreeBSD runs flawlessly on my laptop, no matter how much I have updated it the last 2 weeks, just to make sure I won`t have to defend myself against flame.

Mr Green · 2008-02-18 21:45:24

Well.... you have not given us any information as to your problem other than you upgraded and your system broke ... removing configs may not have helped

If you have been Linux or any other OS then you should have at least have important data backed up

Your pacman.log should show last updated packages from there you may be able to tell what has broke...

Have you upgraded your kernel to 2.6.24? maybe thats the problem... without more information we cannot help you

MrG

scav · 2008-02-18 21:50:56

If I had any more information, I would be happy to share it. No need to question my backup routines, I backup all important data. Like I said I did a totalt update, that would imply that I did in fact catch the 2.6.24 kernel.

Now, I do not try to be mean here, but there really is not much more information to give that what I am giving out here. There are no obvious console outputs to anything, and there is to be frank, no problem that I can pinpoint to any of this.

All I know, is that after last weeks update, wich included a new XORG upgrade, my system broke, and it did so badly.

Allan · 2008-02-18 21:56:44

So system broke as in.... e.g. X wouldn't start, computer wouldn't boot, etc. There is a lot more info you can give to try and get some help here. Currently we can have no idea what your problem is so try and describe it your best.

Also post the relevant section of /var/log/pacman.log so we can see _exactly_ what was updated.

scav · 2008-02-18 22:00:18

I stated in my post all the things broken, read the first post again please.

Mr Green · 2008-02-18 22:16:16

Again... as Allan has asked does system boot... do you get to console or can you start X... ?

scav · 2008-02-18 22:34:31

scav wrote:

Now, I found myself with a totaly useless system, so I removed every config file in ~/ to no luck, also did this with root.
I now try to be smart about it, and reinstalls arch from a livecd to get the latest off the net. I even use an US mirror to make sure the packages I receive are the latest. No luck. As I boot in, I find myself in an even MORE sloppy system (if that was possible in the first place).
I cannot use Nvidia hardware rendering, I have to sit in "vesa" like im living in 1992. Then I try to play some music, oh no, every single good management utility out there utilizing gstreamer is messing up. Then, in the end, I manage to get over this issue. Now, I sit there with every single audio management application fully functionally, EXEPT - I cannot play a damn song without shattering, cracking and at the very end (about 10-15 sec into the song) it stops playing or the application crashes. Oh and yes, I got every single gstreamer lib in the world. I also tried to run XMMS to check it it was a gstreamer or related issue. XMMS plays my music fine, but it crash about once every 3-4 minutes, which needles to say is a huge pain in the a##!
Now I even can`t get aMSN with UTF-8 to register that I am from Norway and that I want to be able to use the letters "æøå".

Did you guys even read my initial post?
Of course it boots, I am listenig to music and having to use vesa instead of nvidia.

Edit: I guess I should mention that mplayer and vlc plays all my movies with perfect sound. Mplayer also plays all my music-files, no problem.

Last edited by scav (2008-02-18 22:36:46)

Allan · 2008-02-18 22:54:38

My bad... I read the posts upwards and it looked like you had some unspecified kernel/xorg problem.

It looks like you have two (I think) separate issues:
1) can't use nvida driver.
2) gstreamer is screwy.

For 1), can you post your xorg.conf file so we can scan it for something that may be of use. Sounds like xorg/nvidia driver update problem.
For 2), tell us what you sound hardware is. Though strange it seems only to effect gstreamer (can't rember that being updated recently...)

scav · 2008-02-18 23:42:58

Yes, I find the gstreamer part strange too. I had no idea XMMS used it, but XMMS also crash.

My xorg config is the same I had prior to the update, so I do not thing the error is in that.
Also, I can use X with nvidia, it just crash after a few min, enabling me to move the mouse around for a few sec after the crash, then I have to power off the computer, going to console again (CTRL+ALT+Fx) is not working, keyboard not responding at all.

Audio:

00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2)

Allan · 2008-02-19 00:18:35

Looks like nVidia driver problem all up. Now I look it up, xmms does not use gstreamer.

See if this helps: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=43792 for the X crash.

SiC · 2008-02-19 02:57:56

Have you tried dropping back to a 2.6.23 kernel as opposed to the 2.6.24 which you will be using if you are doing an ftp install.

iphitus · 2008-02-19 07:59:36

scav wrote:

Did you guys even read my initial post?

scav wrote:

I stated in my post all the things broken, read the first post again please.

People are trying to help you, stop being so blunt. They're all guessing because you didnt say anything useful.

"messing up" "like im living in 1992" "totaly useless system" "about a week ago" mean absolutely nothing.

"about a week ago" is not an accurate measurement. Factor in delays in mirrors syncing and the vagueness, and it's totally useless. Instead, why don't you post your pacman log and mark what the -Syu when the upgrades broke your system -- if it all happened so suddenly as you suggest, then this should be easy to track down.

Give us some details! Xorg has a log (/var/log/Xorg.0.log) - use it! Set up nvidia and post the log when X fails.

XMMS. it's crap. It's old. It's dated. It's unmaintained. It's buggy. It doesnt operate well on modern operating systems. The list goes on. But you could run it from the console and tell us what errors it outputs when it crashes. That's more useful than 'it doesnt work'.

Same goes for other audio applications, they might say something when they have problems -- and it helps if you actually describe the problem you had. "messing up" is terribly vague. Give us hard information that we can use.

For amsn, the same goes. Run from console. Tell us exactly what the problem is. What happens when you try to use extra characters? Is there output?

Do some investigative work. Save yourself and us the time. And if you leave Arch... we don't care. Really. It's your computer, use what you're comfortable with.

Last edited by iphitus (2008-02-19 08:01:12)

scav · 2008-02-19 15:15:33

Okey, I will try.
For the nvidia bug, my xorg.log says nothing about anything, since all input devices dies, and the computer does not crash I have to reset the computer manually.
Also I should mention, I use

acpi=off irq_poll

loading the kernel, as ACPI makes my system crash all the time, therfor I have to use

'modprobe nvidia NVreg_RMEdgeIntrCheck=0'

to load the kernel module. This used to work fine prior to the update, wich I think was around 02.14.2008. Don`t know if that is important, but I just felt I should mention it.

On the soundissue I did some cleaning up, after my last dirty /tmp job, and I end up with this:

$ rhythmbox

** ERROR **: I can't write to '/tmp/orbit-daso', ORB init failed
aborting...
Aborted

$ ls -al / | grep tmp
drwxr-xr-x  6 root root  376 2008-02-19 16:05 tmp

As root, I do not get this error message.

Still, sound is perfect in mplayer.

Oh, I should mention, I did a complete reinstall of the basesystem, and I still have the same problems.

Last edited by scav (2008-02-19 15:20:38)

tomk · 2008-02-19 15:21:19

/tmp permissions should be 1777.

scav · 2008-02-19 15:39:54

$ ls -al / | grep tmp
drwxrwxrwt  8 root root  472 2008-02-19 16:23 tmp

Now, executing Rhythmbox as a normal user gives me seriously messed up audio, and there is nothing in the console output that can tell me what this is. I also tried the workaround with the "crossfade" solution found on this forum. Not doing the trick for me.

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