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#1 2008-03-07 08:53:35

darkfoon
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Reading on Linux Disputes

Hello,

I am reading up on Linux developer disputes that led to project forks (such as the one that led to Samba-tng) and I thought I'd ask here if anybody has any other examples of a dispute (between developers) leading to major developers leaving a project, or starting a project fork.
A link to mailing list archives, or some other source documenting the dispute would be appreciated.

Thank you very much.

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#2 2008-03-07 09:14:27

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Re: Reading on Linux Disputes

Well, an obvious starting-point would be the pacman-dev ML, ca. June to December 2006 - a conflict building up gradually on various topics, which finally led to Frugalware's pacman-g2 project.

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#3 2008-03-07 09:57:24

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Re: Reading on Linux Disputes


"Be conservative in what you send; be liberal in what you accept." -- Postel's Law
"tacos" -- Cactus' Law
"t̥͍͎̪̪͗a̴̻̩͈͚ͨc̠o̩̙͈ͫͅs͙͎̙͊ ͔͇̫̜t͎̳̀a̜̞̗ͩc̗͍͚o̲̯̿s̖̣̤̙͌ ̖̜̈ț̰̫͓ạ̪͖̳c̲͎͕̰̯̃̈o͉ͅs̪ͪ ̜̻̖̜͕" -- -̖͚̫̙̓-̺̠͇ͤ̃ ̜̪̜ͯZ͔̗̭̞ͪA̝͈̙͖̩L͉̠̺͓G̙̞̦͖O̳̗͍

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#4 2008-03-07 10:29:16

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Re: Reading on Linux Disputes

I can think of xorg and gcc but they are probably in the link cactus gave...

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#5 2008-03-07 12:53:34

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Re: Reading on Linux Disputes

Wine and Crossover is a big one. Cinelerra just forked into mainline and CV. Microsoft and reality. The list goes on.

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#6 2008-03-07 13:19:00

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Re: Reading on Linux Disputes

probably also in cactus' list, but the most famous one is emacs/xemacs. Most forks resolve themselves in the end but I don't think it ever did (unless more recently...)

Beryl and Compiz ... and now they're married again...

firefox/iceweasel

just off the top of my head.

Dusty

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#7 2008-03-07 13:55:42

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Re: Reading on Linux Disputes

If memory serves...Knoppix/Sidux.

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#8 2008-03-07 13:58:33

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Re: Reading on Linux Disputes

^sidux is partly based on kanotix and Debian Sid afaik!

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#9 2008-03-07 23:11:42

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Re: Reading on Linux Disputes

praka123 wrote:

^sidux is partly based on kanotix and Debian Sid afaik!

Yes, I remembered wrong. It started as a fork of Kanotix! smile

Sidux is created and maintained by a group of developers who split from the Kanotix project and launched their own distribution. Kanotix had not seen much development activities in the last 12 months, and Kano (its founder) last October had announced plans to re-base Kanotix itself away from Debian/Sid to a more "stable" distribution (either Debian Etch or Ubuntu). In this light, sidux is a continuation of most of the known Kanotix tradition, carried by a big and active part of previous Kanotix contributors (but seemingly with less emphasize on a "benevolent dictator" type of governance, and more focus on "team responsibilities").

From: http://sidux.com/Reviews-req-showcontent-id-7.html

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#10 2008-03-07 23:47:03

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Re: Reading on Linux Disputes

Dusty wrote:

probably also in cactus' list, but the most famous one is emacs/xemacs. Most forks resolve themselves in the end but I don't think it ever did (unless more recently...)

No it never did resolve, and since it's been so long since the split (about a decade) it probably never will resolve. The code of the two projects are very different now. The major reason (if I remember correctly) for the continuing split was that RMS didn't want to merge in all of the code from contributors of the XEmacs project because he was unsure of the copyright issues of said code. I think it was probably because he's rather controlling tongue

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#11 2008-03-14 08:00:31

darkfoon
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Re: Reading on Linux Disputes

Thank you all for your replies.

I have another question. What about major "figureheads" in the developer community becoming frustrated and just up and leaving Linux?
I seem to remember a few rather important individuals quite openly saying that they're leaving Linux and why. Their reasons intrigue me.

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#12 2008-03-14 08:29:37

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