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theringmaster

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the best lcd packages

I see that there are several choices to choose from that make lcd fonts better. There's the *-lcd, *-cleartype, and the *-ubuntu. Which is better at making fonts on a lcd screen crystal clear?

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brebs

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Re: the best lcd packages

Ubuntu, without a shadow of a doubt

But some people, with bizarre tastes, eyes, monitors, or xorg setups, will no doubt disagree.

bender02

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Re: the best lcd packages

There are only 4 choices, only two steps away... So... Try!

Mikko777

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Re: the best lcd packages

Ubuntu, without a shadow of a doubt

But some people, with bizarre tastes, eyes, monitors, or xorg setups, will no doubt disagree.

Nooo I thought it was common knowledge that the *-lcd packages were superior!

I think ubuntu packages were blurrier here than lcd ones. (too much antialiasing)

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dunc

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Re: the best lcd packages

Nooo I thought it was common knowledge that the *-lcd packages were superior!

I think ubuntu packages were blurrier here than lcd ones. (too much antialiasing)

Funny; I thought *-ubuntu didn't have enough antialiasing.

I've been reading up on this today, coincidentally, while trying to find out if there was any hope of the *-lcd patches being updated for newer versions of Cairo etc. It seems that *-lcd is the only one that does everything at the subpixel level, with no pixel alignment at all; but David Turner (the guy behind it) is worried that this might infringe an MS patent.

More here.

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brebs

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Re: the best lcd packages

*-lcd patches being updated

See Gentoo overlay and xeffects thread.

theringmaster

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Re: the best lcd packages

any comments about the *-cleartype? I heard that is patented to the core. Even the comments in the code is patented. not a BIG deal, but your thoughts please.

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brebs

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Re: the best lcd packages

patented

Microsoft are playing the usual FUD game, and patents are just a big game. They can't actually sue, because then the big guns involved/interested in Linux (e.g. IBM) will strike back. And once Microsoft start the fight, they will encounter a backlash of hatred & disgust from just about everybody, including their own customers - it would be commercial suicide.

As an example, see Creative Labs stupidity.

dunc

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Re: the best lcd packages

*-lcd patches being updated

See Gentoo overlay and xeffects thread.

Excellent. Thanks.

Didn't take long to get Cairo 1.5.2 up and running late last night (sometimes I glance through the forums last thing, without logging in), which is enough for Firefox 3. I'll look into more up-to-date revisions and libxft later, maybe with PKGBUILDs to follow. Although I've never done one before, so don't hold your breath.

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d3br074

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Re: the best lcd packages

how exactly am I supposed to download and install any of these?  there are so many dependencies with cairo and freetype2 and libxft that are in place?

brebs

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Re: the best lcd packages

So many? There's 4, tops. Remove the blockers, and install the packages you want.

Ashren

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Re: the best lcd packages

I've tried out the lcd packages and I've come to the conclusion that I actually prefer the crispness of the original. It seems the other ones are way to blurry/fuzzy for my tastes.

So my vote goes to the standard packages.

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ekerazha

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Re: the best lcd packages

I've just created cairo-lcd (cairo 1.6.4 based) and fontconfig-lcd

libxft-lcd inside [community] seems good

I don't use freetype2-lcd (I use the official freetype2 package).

Now I'd say the best "packages" are the -lcd ones others (-cleartype, -ubuntu) are orphaned/out-of-date

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brebs

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Re: the best lcd packages

-ubuntu are orphaned, but not out-of-date. I'm off - to Fedora, perhaps.

ekerazha

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Re: the best lcd packages

-ubuntu are orphaned, but not out-of-date. I'm off - to Fedora, perhaps.

orphaned and/or out-of-date

However, I'm not sure the cairo patch used by Ubuntu (that you ported to 1.6.4) is the latest available.

brebs

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Re: the best lcd packages

"Not sure"? Nice FUD, troll.

ekerazha

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Re: the best lcd packages

"Not sure"? Nice FUD, troll.

I've checked, the patch is different

The biggest trolls are always the first who say "troll" to others: now go back playing with Fedora/Ubuntu, Sir.

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drag0nl0rd

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Re: the best lcd packages

There is a wiki section wich describes the use of cairo-lcd + other packages. Would be nice to check if it's up to date: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Fon … r_LCD_in_X

ekerazha: I've used cairo-lcd and was satisfied, thaks for the remake of the package I hope it will not disappear again.

xsdnyd

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Re: the best lcd packages

The -lcd packages are in my repo now, for everyone who doesn't want to compile for themselves

http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=42588

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bangkok_manouel

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Re: the best lcd packages

I've tried the -ubuntu / -lcd / -xeffects. xeffects is definitely the one I prefer (it builds fine with latest cairo BTW).

ekerazha

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Re: the best lcd packages

There is a wiki section wich describes the use of cairo-lcd + other packages. Would be nice to check if it's up to date: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Fon … r_LCD_in_X

ekerazha: I've used cairo-lcd and was satisfied, thaks for the remake of the package I hope it will not disappear again.

Updated the wiki to reflect the changes of -lcd (cairo-lcd moved from [community] to unsupported etc.)

ekerazha

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Re: the best lcd packages

I've tried the -ubuntu / -lcd / -xeffects. xeffects is definitely the one I prefer (it builds fine with latest cairo BTW).

cairo-snapshot-xeffects ?

By default (maybe you have changed it) it uses an old version of cairo (1.5.x), the patch is very similar to the one I use for cairo-lcd (It could be an old version of the same patch).

I've used the last patch from the freedesktop.org ticket ( http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10301 ) updated by a gentoo forum guy (vonr) to apply on the last cairo versions.

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bangkok_manouel

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Re: the best lcd packages

I've tried the -ubuntu / -lcd / -xeffects. xeffects is definitely the one I prefer (it builds fine with latest cairo BTW).

cairo-snapshot-xeffects ?

By default (maybe you have changed it) it uses an old version of cairo (1.5.x), the patch is very similar to the one I use for cairo-lcd (It could be an old version of the same patch).

I've used the last patch from the freedesktop.org ticket ( http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10301 ) updated by a gentoo forum guy (vonr) to apply on the last cairo versions.

xeffects patch can be applied to latest cairo without any problem. xeffects is indeed a (dead for now) gentoo community project. I just tried the LCD patch today and rendering is definitely different. I like the xeffects better but that's really subjective...

Misfit138

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Re: the best lcd packages

-ubuntu are orphaned, but not out-of-date. I'm off - to Fedora, perhaps.

brebs,

I truly and sincerely hope you reconsider. You will certainly be missed.

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bender02

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Re: the best lcd packages

-ubuntu are orphaned, but not out-of-date. I'm off - to Fedora, perhaps.

I agree with Misfit - from what I've seen, your posts here have been quite to the point mostly. It's of course entirely up to you, but I personally wouldn't trade the benefits of archlinux over any other linux distro for one bad day/misunderstanding.