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glad

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From: Norway

Registered: 2005-11-01

Posts: 103

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Re: 2.6.25 enters [testing]

I know, but the pacman package has never been working for me...

The pacman package has ALWAYS been working.

You just do not know how to use it correctly.

Same here. It just works fine, getting the PKGBUILD from abs and changing version is sufficient if one cant live without the beta driver (like me). And it works here without crashes.
I dont like the thing from AUR, the maintainer answers questions really slowly and doest change anything in his PKGBUILD.

It was working for me too back in these days when pacman compilled the drivers on the fly, if you guys remember? But then suddenly someone decided to have the Nvidia package compilled before it was installed with pacman..

if you unerstand what I'm saying? and sorry for my bad English.

buddabrod

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From: Germany

Registered: 2007-02-25

Posts: 220

Re: 2.6.25 enters [testing]

The new iwlwifi hasn't improved my 11a-networks-not-working situation at all. It's really frustrating.

Else: No problems with the new kernel package, it was a smooth upgrade and I encountered no problems.

Try this: http://dev.archlinux.org/~thomas/compat-wireless/
After installation, unload the driver and all mac80211 modules, then load them again.

Maybe you could update your PKGBUILD, the one from 20.4 ist kinda buggy.. after one disconnect it just wont work anymore until i rmmod and modprobe the module..

z0phi3l

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From: Waterbury CT

Registered: 2007-11-26

Posts: 278

Re: 2.6.25 enters [testing]

Nice, nvidia-beta from aur is recommended for nvidia users, since it has a lot of fixes to 2.6.25 compability.

http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=15152

Be sure to do some changes so it compiles for the new kernel.

What changes are suggested so it compiles for .25?

shazeal

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From: New Zealand

Registered: 2007-06-05

Posts: 341

Re: 2.6.25 enters [testing]

Added a comment to http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/10261 with regards to the DSDT not being loaded. I find it odd that the DSDT hook works fine with my 2.6.24 builds and yet it does not with the 2.6.25 ones.
Anyway using the using the script provided with the acpi-dsdt patch "/linux-2.6.25/Documentation/acpi/initramfs-add-dsdt.sh kernel26.img /lib/initcpio/custom.dsdt" fixes the problem for now.

tipino

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Registered: 2008-05-02

Posts: 3

Re: 2.6.25 enters [testing]

I just went and tried to upgrade to 2.6.25 but I have encountered a problem to do with my webcam, which uses the linux-uvc-svn driver from the community repo.

error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
:: linux-uvc-svn: requires kernel26<2.6.25

So it look like I will not be upgrading for a while unless I can find a work round.

You can always rebuild the module yourself: uninstall it, update kernel&co, then get the PKGBUILD from abs, change the kernel version, build and install. All that assuming the source code is compatible to 2.6.25.

The community repository only in sync with core/extra, not with testing.

So, I've applied this procedure and everything went well for a while...
But, one day:

[tipino@myhost ~]$ sudo pacman -Syu
Parola d'ordine:
:: Sincronizzazione dei database in corso...
 testing è aggiornato
 core è aggiornato
 extra                    305,4K  189,7K/s 00:00:02 [#####################] 100%
 community                333,4K  203,3K/s 00:00:02 [#####################] 100%
 compiz-fusion è aggiornato
 archlinuxfr               24,5K  137,3K/s 00:00:00 [#####################] 100%
:: Aggiornamento del sistema in corso...
risoluzione delle dipendenze in corso...
ricerca dei conflitti incrociati in corso...
errore: preparazione non riuscita (impossibile soddisfare le dipendenze)
:: ipw3945: richiede kernel26>=2.6.25
:: nvidia: richiede kernel26>=2.6.25

The workaround for me was to blacklist the linux-uvc-svn package (rebuilded by me editing the PKGBUILD) in pacman.conf
Now I'm able to -Syu again
Does anybody else know other solutions?

Cheers

Back2Cali

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From: Germany

Registered: 2006-02-26

Posts: 223

Re: 2.6.25 enters [testing]

I checked the kernel on my thinkpad t1 this morning. Unfortunately after the upgrade my wireless card, an intel 4965n, stopped working correct. I can connect to my wireless network, using (k)networkmanager but that's it. When I want to connect through the wireless network or just surf the internet nothing happens and I'll get an timeout. Does anyone experienced something similar? I'm currently not sure if it's the new kernel or the networkmanager that caused this....
Thanks!

buddabrod

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From: Germany

Registered: 2007-02-25

Posts: 220

Re: 2.6.25 enters [testing]

I checked the kernel on my thinkpad t1 this morning. Unfortunately after the upgrade my wireless card, an intel 4965n, stopped working correct. I can connect to my wireless network, using (k)networkmanager but that's it. When I want to connect through the wireless network or just surf the internet nothing happens and I'll get an timeout. Does anyone experienced something similar? I'm currently not sure if it's the new kernel or the networkmanager that caused this....
Thanks!

Works here, even with (k)networkmanager.

Aitch

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From: Norway

Registered: 2008-02-19

Posts: 43

Re: 2.6.25 enters [testing]

Back2Cali - see further up this topic for my similar experience on a T61 with the same chip.  Everything works fine now, but I had to modify my Network setup using netcfg2.  Still sometimes times out when connecting at home but I can bring it up using netcfg2 at the command line.

buddabrod

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From: Germany

Registered: 2007-02-25

Posts: 220

Re: 2.6.25 enters [testing]

Here I posted a stolen ;P and updated PKGBUILD for compat-wireless to AUR.

wantilles

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From: Athens - Greece

Registered: 2007-03-29

Posts: 327

Re: 2.6.25 enters [testing]

But, one day:

You expect us to learn italian in order to help you?

wuischke

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From: Suisse Romande

Registered: 2007-01-06

Posts: 630

Re: 2.6.25 enters [testing]

But, one day:

You expect us to learn italian in order to help you?

The error message is close to the English one and really not hard to understand (disclaimer: I learn Italian.) and even if you don't understand I think it's better to simply ask for a translation in a polite way or ignore his post, don't you think?

I mean no offense, but I'm a bit disappointed by a recent rudeness I believe to perceive in the forums. If you feel the need to answer me, please contact me via mail. Thank you.

tipino

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Registered: 2008-05-02

Posts: 3

Re: 2.6.25 enters [testing]

I'm sorry for my laziness, I really thought it wasn't a problem at all...

Moreover, I don't need any help!
On the contrary, considering in this 3d many users (me too) got issues with linux-uvc-svn after 2.6.25 upgrading, I just pointed out that after a period that we have already resolved this problem (editing PKGBUILD) I got related system upgrading problems and solved it blacklisting the package (whic is installed and works like a sharm).

Maybe obvious for you?
Anyway it's all bue skies

baze

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Registered: 2005-10-30

Posts: 393

Re: 2.6.25 enters [testing]

The new iwlwifi hasn't improved my 11a-networks-not-working situation at all. It's really frustrating.

Else: No problems with the new kernel package, it was a smooth upgrade and I encountered no problems.

Try this: http://dev.archlinux.org/~thomas/compat-wireless/
After installation, unload the driver and all mac80211 modules, then load them again.

Maybe you could update your PKGBUILD, the one from 20.4 ist kinda buggy.. after one disconnect it just wont work anymore until i rmmod and modprobe the module..

the provided package doesn't solve my need to unload and reload the iwl3945 module before i can use it, so i second the request for an updated package or PKGBUILD...

buddabrod

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From: Germany

Registered: 2007-02-25

Posts: 220

Re: 2.6.25 enters [testing]

Try this: http://dev.archlinux.org/~thomas/compat-wireless/
After installation, unload the driver and all mac80211 modules, then load them again.

Maybe you could update your PKGBUILD, the one from 20.4 ist kinda buggy.. after one disconnect it just wont work anymore until i rmmod and modprobe the module..

the provided package doesn't solve my need to unload and reload the iwl3945 module before i can use it, so i second the request for an updated package or PKGBUILD...

Here is where i put it as i wrote before.

baze

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Registered: 2005-10-30

Posts: 393

Re: 2.6.25 enters [testing]

Maybe you could update your PKGBUILD, the one from 20.4 ist kinda buggy.. after one disconnect it just wont work anymore until i rmmod and modprobe the module..

the provided package doesn't solve my need to unload and reload the iwl3945 module before i can use it, so i second the request for an updated package or PKGBUILD...

Here is where i put it as i wrote before.

woops, must have missed that, thanks.

Bogart

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From: Madrid, Spain

Registered: 2005-06-22

Posts: 272

Re: 2.6.25 enters [testing]

I tested 2.6.25 a few days ago and while everything worked correctly after some time using it the system would feel sluggish at times. Nothing terrible, but switching tabs or windows felt slower than 2.6.24 (this is a pentium 4, so it might be more noticeable than with newer dual core processors). So I looked at the config and read LKML and found out that the group scheduler causes some high latencies and is now marked EXPERIMENTAL and defaults to n in 2.6.26:

http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=120986180600392&w=2

The .config of 2.6.25 has:

CONFIG_GROUP_SCHED=y
# CONFIG_FAIR_GROUP_SCHED is not set
# CONFIG_RT_GROUP_SCHED is not set

Maybe changing the first one to 'n' could help with latencies?

So... after 2 kernels, does anyone have any complaints against the CFS scheduler ?
I still have to tweak the schedulers granularity so games like Wow run under Wine without
stuttering

I hoped that with the new kernel I wouldn't need to recompile...

If you recompile, try without setting CONFIG_GROUP_SCHED and see if that helps (and report back if you find out something

wantilles

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From: Athens - Greece

Registered: 2007-03-29

Posts: 327

Re: 2.6.25 enters [testing]

Do we have even a vague approximation when 2.6.25 is going to enter [core]?

bangkok_manouel

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From: indicates a starting point

Registered: 2005-02-07

Posts: 1,556

Re: 2.6.25 enters [testing]

Do we have even a vague approximation when 2.6.25 is going to enter [core]?

Why don't you just D/L it from ftp.archlinux.org with associated modules if any ? You do not have to udpate your full install to [TESTING].

buddabrod

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From: Germany

Registered: 2007-02-25

Posts: 220

Re: 2.6.25 enters [testing]

I tested 2.6.25 a few days ago and while everything worked correctly after some time using it the system would feel sluggish at times. Nothing terrible, but switching tabs or windows felt slower than 2.6.24 (this is a pentium 4, so it might be more noticeable than with newer dual core processors). So I looked at the config and read LKML and found out that the group scheduler causes some high latencies and is now marked EXPERIMENTAL and defaults to n in 2.6.26:

http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=120986180600392&w=2

The .config of 2.6.25 has:

CONFIG_GROUP_SCHED=y
# CONFIG_FAIR_GROUP_SCHED is not set
# CONFIG_RT_GROUP_SCHED is not set

Maybe changing the first one to 'n' could help with latencies?

Yeah CONFIG_GROUP_SCHED was one of the first thing we disabled in zen-sources, since it causes horrible latencies sometimes. Since no one really needs that atm, i vote for disabling it.

brain0

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From: Aachen - Germany

Registered: 2005-01-03

Posts: 1,382

Re: 2.6.25 enters [testing]

Added a comment to http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/10261 with regards to the DSDT not being loaded. I find it odd that the DSDT hook works fine with my 2.6.24 builds and yet it does not with the 2.6.25 ones.
Anyway using the using the script provided with the acpi-dsdt patch "/linux-2.6.25/Documentation/acpi/initramfs-add-dsdt.sh kernel26.img /lib/initcpio/custom.dsdt" fixes the problem for now.

That script adds the dsdt file to the end of the archive, as far as I can see. Can you try if it helps to put the dsdt hook last in your hook list - or first?

Bogart

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From: Madrid, Spain

Registered: 2005-06-22

Posts: 272

Re: 2.6.25 enters [testing]

I am running 2.6.25.3-1 and up to now I couldn't notice the latency problems anymore, so they probably were related to the group scheduler config.

I've seen at least one report of interactivity problems that were not related to the group scheduler, but I myself can't notice a regression from 2.6.24.

hussam

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Registered: 2006-03-26

Posts: 572

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Re: 2.6.25 enters [testing]

Brain0, I'm running 2.6.25.3-1
If I upgrade to kernel26-2.6.25.4-1, do I need a external module rebuild?

buddabrod

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From: Germany

Registered: 2007-02-25

Posts: 220

Re: 2.6.25 enters [testing]

Brain0, I'm running 2.6.25.3-1
If I upgrade to kernel26-2.6.25.4-1, do I need a external module rebuild?

All of them work without rebuilding here.

hussam

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Registered: 2006-03-26

Posts: 572

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Re: 2.6.25 enters [testing]

ok thanks buddabrod.

SpookyET

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Registered: 2008-01-27

Posts: 410

Re: 2.6.25 enters [testing]

It's been in testing for a month.