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virati

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Registered: 2008-04-14

Posts: 81

-Syu hates me

Spent the last 5 days setting up my Arch system to exactly how I wanted it. Did a pacman -Syu and was left with broken system. when rebooting, udev would say none of the modules could get loaded, none of the partitions were found and then leave me at the login prompt with a keyboard that doesn't work. I've reinstalled Arch 3 time since then. First two times I upgraded immediately after system install, same issue.

Now, the wierd thing is, this particular problem looks exactly the same as when i try to install nvidia drivers through pacman. My working system a few days back was using the NVIDIA.sh install method which actually worked.

Any idea what's going wrong? I've tried looking everywhere around the web for a solution, or even explination, but it's getting very frustrating to find nothing. I'm loving the system and had everything set up perfectly enough that I was considering just reformatting my windows hd. Obviously, not being able to upgrade my system or install nvidia drivers is a serious issue.

Allan

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From: Brisbane, AU

Registered: 2007-06-09

Posts: 9,939

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Re: -Syu hates me

What packages did you upgrade.  Look at the end of /var/log/pacman.log for the info.

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virati

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Registered: 2008-04-14

Posts: 81

Re: -Syu hates me

What packages did you upgrade.  Look at the end of /var/log/pacman.log for the info.

Unfortunately I already reformatted and reinstalled. Have everything setup perfectly right now so i'm just a little hesitant to try an upgrade at the moment.

I do have one question. Is there a trick to doing the system upgrade the first time? For example, I go ahead and try an -Syu and it asks me if i want to "replace mktemp with core/coreutils" and "iwlwifi with core/kernel26" etc etc. Should I answer yes to all of them or is there a particular order I should upgrade. Maybe that's the problem?

dolby

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From: 1992

Registered: 2006-08-08

Posts: 1,581

Re: -Syu hates me

If you havent messed with any of those packages yourself then its safe to say Yes to every question pacman asks you.
ps. If you dont intend to update frequently its better not to use Archlinux. Also its better not to use Archlinux if you dont read pacman output available later in /var/log/pacman.log.

edit: No there arent any tricks about updating "safely"

Last edited by dolby (2008-04-30 08:36:20)

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ezzetabi

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Registered: 2006-08-27

Posts: 905

Re: -Syu hates me

Do you use lilo?
Remember to execute lilo as root after updating.

as they confirmed here, they wont automate this. Maybe they like seeing people suffer.

bangkok_manouel

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Registered: 2005-02-07

Posts: 1,554

Re: -Syu hates me

do you have a separate /var ?

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dolby

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From: 1992

Registered: 2006-08-08

Posts: 1,581

Re: -Syu hates me

Do you use lilo?
Remember to execute lilo as root after updating.

as they confirmed here, they wont automate this. Maybe they like seeing people suffer.

Although i value lilo quite a lot, i am amazed the Archlinux developers still have it in base. If it were up to me lilo would be in extra. Along with grub they re the only packages in base that do the same thing if i am not mistakin.

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virati

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Registered: 2008-04-14

Posts: 81

Re: -Syu hates me

Do you use lilo?
Remember to execute lilo as root after updating.

as they confirmed here, they wont automate this. Maybe they like seeing people suffer.

What happens if lilo isn't executed/updated? Should that affect how udev functions and affect module loading? That's definately interesting.

The same problems happen after i try to install nvidia drivers through pacman. Could executing lilo also be the solution to that?

Misfit138

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From: USA

Registered: 2006-11-27

Posts: 4,167

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Re: -Syu hates me

Do you use lilo?
Remember to execute lilo as root after updating.

as they confirmed here, they wont automate this. Maybe they like seeing people suffer.

Although i value lilo quite a lot, i am amazed the Archlinux developers still have it in base. If it were up to me lilo would be in extra. Along with grub they re the only packages in base that do the same thing if i am not mistakin.

There are vi and nano as well.
I would like support for lilo to be dropped from [core] also; I really feel GRUB has out-shined it in every regard, and Slackware is the only distro I can think of, besides Arch, that is keeping it alive. (I'll put on my flame-retardant suit as Lilo fans assemble and toast me!)

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dolby

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From: 1992

Registered: 2006-08-08

Posts: 1,581

Re: -Syu hates me

Do you use lilo?
Remember to execute lilo as root after updating.

as they confirmed here, they wont automate this. Maybe they like seeing people suffer.

Although i value lilo quite a lot, i am amazed the Archlinux developers still have it in base. If it were up to me lilo would be in extra. Along with grub they re the only packages in base that do the same thing if i am not mistakin.

There are vi and nano as well.
I would like support for lilo to be dropped from [core] also; I really feel GRUB has out-shined it in every regard, and Slackware is the only distro I can think of, besides Arch, that is keeping it alive. (I'll put on my flame-retardant suit as Lilo fans assemble and toast me!)

I actually like it MUCH more than grub which is unmaintained and obsolete. Also lilo has support for 256 inodes ext4 will have. See http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/ … ls/6480/1/ . If grub2 becomes usable any time soon we can review this then.
BTW CRUX uses lilo as well. And you're right about the nano/vi part, although vi cant be considered just an editor.

Last edited by dolby (2008-05-01 19:04:25)

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tomk

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From: Ireland

Registered: 2004-07-21

Posts: 9,604

Re: -Syu hates me

they wont automate this. Maybe they like seeing people suffer.

Love these sly little barbs, they always make my day. And of course, they make the poster feel like he's doing the community a great service, don't they?

What we like seeing are people who know what they're doing, as per the blurb - "intermediate and advanced Linux users". Lilo users with this kind of experience know what to do, and Arch users tell us time and time again that they agree with our philosophy of leaving the user in charge of their own system.

virati - apologies for going off-topic in your thread. Please continue.

b9anders

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Registered: 2007-11-07

Posts: 678

Re: -Syu hates me

Do you use lilo?
Remember to execute lilo as root after updating.

as they confirmed here, they wont automate this. Maybe they like seeing people suffer.

Although i value lilo quite a lot, i am amazed the Archlinux developers still have it in base. If it were up to me lilo would be in extra. Along with grub they re the only packages in base that do the same thing if i am not mistakin.

There are vi and nano as well.
I would like support for lilo to be dropped from [core] also; I really feel GRUB has out-shined it in every regard, and Slackware is the only distro I can think of, besides Arch, that is keeping it alive. (I'll put on my flame-retardant suit as Lilo fans assemble and toast me!)

grub is problematic if you like to use xfs.

And lilo supports graphical boot without patches.

I use Grub but mostly because it's standard and I try out new distros every so often and it's easier only having to mess with one app. But Lilo is still worth using imo.