I have come to the conclusion that Arch isn't compatable with Vid card

Shadowmeph · 2008-06-08 22:35:23

I have tried everything that I can think of to get my fps up to at least playable rates for ET but it is a no go. I have uninstalled recompiled and reinstalled the catalyst drivers twice and I have uninstalled recompiled and reinstalled the game 4 times but still I only get 14-30 fps in game . so I am thinking that the Arch and ATI driver relationship isn't quite ready for games like ET . This is funny because ET is an older game and doesn't use allot of graphics. I really don't want to go back to Ubuntu because I like everything in Arch except this driver problem that is plaguing me. I am also a little afraid to try and install Ubuntu with Arch already install because I will probably mess that up and lose everything that I have achieved so far on Arch .

shisoka · 2008-06-08 23:55:40

Why make a new thread?

czar · 2008-06-09 01:32:38

Is this a discussion about why you should go back to ubuntu, a question, or is this a blog now?

pauldonnelly · 2008-06-09 01:37:38

If it works on Ubuntu, I don't see why you can't make it work on Arch.

Shadowmeph · 2008-06-09 02:43:32

pauldonnelly wrote:

If it works on Ubuntu, I don't see why you can't make it work on Arch.

thats my point it should work but I don't know why

zenlord · 2008-06-09 08:41:18

Why should you recompile? It should be as easy as a 'pacman -S catalyst' and updating some textfiles.

Have you read the wiki: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ATI ?

Zl.

_Marco_ · 2008-06-09 09:30:55

@Shadowmeph
do you have a backup of the xorg.conf that worked in ubuntu?
it would be good to try it in archlinux too..

Last edited by _Marco_ (2008-06-09 09:31:08)

Doc Angelo · 2008-06-09 15:15:27

What shadowmeph already did, and why he cant try out his ubuntu.xorg.conf (he erased ubuntu) is readable in these threads about the same problem:

horrible FPS playing ET how can I change this
way to tell if I am running more then 1 of the same programs?
redid my xorg.conf now I can only boot with the vesa driver

...just to make shure, there will be no brainstorm, that already had been.

finferflu · 2008-06-09 15:21:33

I suppose you could try linux-gamers live, it's a live distro based on Arch, with many games as part of the package. If that works fine, it could help you narrow down your problem.

jacko · 2008-06-09 15:29:15

ATI/AMD Installer

WARNING: Using the installer from ati.com/amd.com is NOT recommended!
Doing so will cause file conflicts with various pacman packages and likely cause X failures. The packages available through pacman are configured specifically for Arch Linux and so should be used instead.
If you have attempted a manual install from the official installer, and are finding that nothing works correctly anymore, there should be an uninstall script placed at /usr/share/ati - run that, then try the pacman packages.

who wanna bet?

Shadowmeph · 2008-06-09 18:50:24

jacko wrote:

ATI/AMD Installer
WARNING: Using the installer from ati.com/amd.com is NOT recommended!
Doing so will cause file conflicts with various pacman packages and likely cause X failures. The packages available through pacman are configured specifically for Arch Linux and so should be used instead.
If you have attempted a manual install from the official installer, and are finding that nothing works correctly anymore, there should be an uninstall script placed at /usr/share/ati - run that, then try the pacman packages.
who wanna bet?

I didn't do that lol
I reinstalled Ubuntu just so I can see the differences in the xorg.conf. but when I reinstalled ubuntu Grub screwed up ( which I was afraid was going to happen because of my Noobness) anyway I have to figure out how to get Arch bach into the grub guio" thats a totally different Adventure" .
So I have compaired the two different xorg configs and as far as I can see there is a difference but I am not sure that it would affect the FPS that much I will leave out the things that I thnk are not relivant ( I don't want to anoy anyone anymore than I already have.
this is the Ubuntu one

Section "Device"
    Identifier    "Configured Video Device"
    Driver        "fglrx"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
    Identifier    "Configured Monitor"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
    Identifier    "Default Screen"
    Monitor        "Configured Monitor"
    Device        "Configured Video Device"
    Defaultdepth    24
EndSection

Section "ServerLayout"
    Identifier    "Default Layout"
  screen "Default Screen"
EndSection
Section "Module"
    Load        "glx"
EndSection

and this is the Arch one

Section "ServerLayout"

# Serial Mouse not detected
# USB Mouse not detected
    Identifier     "Xorg Configured"
    Screen      0  "aticonfig-Screen[0]" 0 0
    InputDevice    "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
    InputDevice    "Mouse0" "CorePointer"
EndSection



Section "Module"
    Load  "ddc"  # ddc probing of monitor
    Load  "dbe"
    Load  "dri"
    Load  "drm"
    Load  "extmod"
    Load  "glx"
    Load  "bitmap" # bitmap-fonts
    Load  "type1"
    Load  "freetype"
    Load  "record"
    #   Load  "synaptics"
EndSection

Section "ServerFlags"
    
    Option        "AIGLX" "Enable"
EndSection
Section "Monitor"
    Identifier   "aticonfig-Monitor[0]"
    Option        "VendorName" "ATI Proprietary Driver"
    Option        "ModelName" "Generic Autodetecting Monitor"
    Option        "DPMS" "true"
EndSection

Section "Device"
    Identifier  "aticonfig-Device[0]"
    Driver      "fglrx"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
    Identifier "aticonfig-Screen[0]"
    Device     "aticonfig-Device[0]"
    Monitor    "aticonfig-Monitor[0]"
    DefaultDepth     24
    SubSection "Display"
        Viewport   0 0
        Depth     24
    EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "DRI"

#    Group        0
    Mode         0666
EndSection

Section "Extensions"
    Option        "omit xfree86-dga"   # don't initialise the DGA
    Option        "Composite" "Enable"
    Option        "RENDER" "Enable"
    Option        "DAMAGE" "Enable"
#    Option        "XVideo" 'Enable"
EndSection

Dheart · 2008-06-09 18:55:05

Alright, try now ubuntu's xorg.conf in arch... also I'm sure if you posted your conf at ati's forums, they'd say what you're doing wrong....
Anyway you could've reinstalled ubuntu in virtualbox.. or backup your menu.lst
(No offence... Forgeting to back up is something I'm not doing even now, although I use linux for three years... I know that's a major error, but I only back up some files I'm sure I'm going to mess up... So I'm trying to tell you not to get used to not making backups...)

JeremyTheWicked · 2008-06-09 19:51:35

Section "Module"
        Load  "GLcore"
        Load  "extmod"
        Load  "dbe"
        Load  "xtrap"
        Load  "dri"
        Load  "glx"
        Load  "record"
        Load  "freetype"
        Load "synaptics"
EndSection

This is my module section (also running catalyst). There are some differences. Maybe it'll help.

heleos · 2008-06-09 20:03:37

What about aiglx? could that be slowing it down? It's been a while since I've used an ATI card, but I always disabled aiglx

Shadowmeph · 2008-06-09 20:28:31

I have decided ( since I can't get Arch to boot) that I am going to backup all my files and then start from scratch again who knows maybe thirdtime is a charm lol at least I am learning some things out of all of this

B15HOP · 2008-06-10 02:35:35

To be honest, I can't get the binary driver to work with Arch linux either. I first installed catalyst with pacman. Then I tried the one from amd's website. Both give me a black screen and lock up the machine.

Dheart · 2008-06-10 13:42:53

Xorg.0.log holds the answer. It is located in /var/log/
You can boot with live cd or there was a grub argument for booting up directly to tty1, but I don't remember what it was. Someone might post it in the topic.

gajo · 2008-06-10 14:17:05

not reading most of the post and not knowing how ET is played in linux, but if it happens to use wine, and if you happen to be running a 64bit archlinux, make sure you have the lib32-catalyst-utils, that is, if you aren't dchrooting
alright, enough assumptions!

Shadowmeph · 2008-06-10 16:20:53

Et is a linux based game so you don't need wine to install it.
when I went to reinstall Arch I had installed Grub using Arch ( which was a no no) this resulted in two things and both negative. the first thing was, when I rebooted it went to the Arch grub gui ( think its called gui) and that didn't show Ubuntu (I thought to my self well I will figure that out later). so I let it do its boot but what happened was it didn't boot into arch it tried to reinstall from scratch again lol .what I mean is for some reason while it was loading it was looking for the disk and when it couldn't find the disk Arch gave me a critical error. I don't believe that old saying that things come in three's . I ended up installing Ubuntu again just so I can get access to my original Ubuntu install.
Confusing isn't it.
well today I am going to try again and I know what messed me up the last time was Grub it seems that for some reason I cannot install Arch and then using the grub that Ubuntu installed because if I reboot I am not sure how to get back into Arch

I was looking at Ubuntu and so far I have only noticed this possible difference( for vid drivers )

Hardware Drivers
GNOME user interface and desktop integration for driver management
Jockey provides a user interface for configuring third-party drivers, such as the Nvidia and ATI fglrx X.org and various Wireless LAN kernel modules.
ATI Binary
This package contains the GNOME frontend.
ATI binary X.Org driver
Video driver for ATI graphics accelerators
Video driver for the ATI Radeon and FireGL graphics accelerators.
This version of the ATI driver officially supports:
* FireGL: V8650, V8600, V7600, V7350, V7300, V7200, V7100, V5600, V5200, V5100, V5000, HD3870, HD3850, V3600, V3400, V3300, V3200, V3100, X3-256, X3, X2-256, Z1-128, T2-128, X1-128, X1-256p
* FireMV: 2200 (Single card PCI-e configuration)
* Mobility FireGL: V5000, T2
* Mobility Radeon: X1800, X1600, X1400, X1300, X800, X700, X600, X300, X200, 9800, 9600, 9550, 9500
* Radeon Xpress: 1200 series, 1100 series, 200 series
* Radeon: HD2900, HD2600, HD2400, X1900, X1800, X1600, X1300, X850, X800, X700, X600, X550, X300, 9800, 9700, 9600, 9550, 9500
ATI All-in-Wonder variants of the above cards/chips are also supported, but video capture is not.
This package provides 2D display drivers and hardware accelerated OpenGL.

Now I am a noob at this so I am am only Guessing that Arch doesn't have these for my ATI card .

Last edited by Shadowmeph (2008-06-10 17:35:19)

Gullible Jones · 2008-06-10 18:59:03

Have you tried the open source ATI drivers?

Misfit138 · 2008-06-10 19:44:47

Gullible Jones wrote:

Have you tried the open source ATI drivers?

Do the open source ATi drivers even offer 3d? He's trying to get ET functionality..

Garns · 2008-06-10 19:52:30

Shadowmeph wrote:

Now I am a noob at this so I am am only Guessing that Arch doesn't have these for my ATI card .

What do you think is in the Catalyst Package exactly?

gajo · 2008-06-10 22:32:42

yeah, you should really try the catalyst drivers, the open source ones are just not in par

Shadowmeph · 2008-06-10 22:59:22

Garns wrote:

Shadowmeph wrote:
Now I am a noob at this so I am am only Guessing that Arch doesn't have these for my ATI card .
What do you think is in the Catalyst Package exactly?

Umm that is what I installed

jacko · 2008-06-10 23:12:10

Section "ServerFlags"

Option "AIGLX" "Enable"
EndSection
Section "Monitor"
Identifier "aticonfig-Monitor[0]"
Option "VendorName" "ATI Proprietary Driver"
Option "ModelName" "Generic Autodetecting Monitor"
Option "DPMS" "true"
EndSection
Section "Device"
Identifier "aticonfig-Device[0]"
Driver "fglrx"
EndSection

I might be wrong, but I don't think these work well together.

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