Sabayon Linux

Gullible Jones · 2008-06-14 03:46:18

Anyone know how this distribution fairs compared to Arch? I do kind of like the idea of the package manager - basically a binary handling add-on to Portage - but how mature is it? Are most of the packages available as binaries, or only a few?

Also, what's the performance like?

(Yeah, distro-hunting again... I like Arch, don't get me wrong, but the small developer base is really making itself felt right now. I figure that I might as well check out some other distros, or try BSD if none of them seem up to snuff.)

Endperform · 2008-06-14 04:33:41

I've played with it. It's pretty much Gentoo, but with a whole crapload of apps preinstalled. Performance wasn't all that much different, and it's using Gentoo's portage repository, so you start with binaries when you install but upgrades get recompiled (unless that has changed, it's been a while since I've used it). It's an OK distro, but I didn't like how much crap was installed by default.

Gullible Jones · 2008-06-14 05:00:12

It does at least have binary package management now - see here. Mind, it looks mightily overrated, given the claims about AI (?!?).

On the other hand, I've at times gleaned a fair amount of info from the Sabayon wikis, so it looks well documented at least.

Oh BTW - OT but does anyone know what the deal is with Gobo Linux? It looks interesting, but according to distrowatch the current release's apps are over a year out of date. Is that accurate?

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Allan · 2008-06-14 05:27:45

Gullible Jones wrote:

Oh BTW - OT but does anyone know what the deal is with Gobo Linux? It looks interesting, but according to distrowatch the current release's apps are over a year out of date. Is that accurate?

Well, it has opera 9.50 which was released only a couple of days ago... But many other things are out of date. If you think Arch has a small developer base then Gobo is much worse.

bangkok_manouel · 2008-06-14 05:49:24

I like Arch, don't get me wrong, but the small developer base is really making itself felt right now.

out of curiosity, would you mind to explain a little bit more about this? Thanks.

Stythys · 2008-06-14 06:08:29

I don't like sabayon. You think the binary package management is a cool add-on to portage, but the truth is that it's either one or the other. If you use the binary package manager, you actually can't use portage, which is stupid, and defeats the purpose of a gentoo-based distro.

Also, it's the most bloated distro I've EVER used. The DVD install put like 12 gigs of crap onto my hard drive. My ENTIRE arch system as it stands right now isn't that big xD. Seriously...if you think ubuntu's bloated (which install's only about 2 gigs), you're in for a surprise.

I'd say if you're thinking of sabayon, you're way better off with gentoo. Granted, I do think gentoo's a nice distro, but I really don't see the point of all that compiling and work, when I see no speed difference between my gentoo install and my arch install. I much prefer arch's KISS philosophy over gentoo's 'total control over everything' way of doing things =P

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sniffles · 2008-06-14 06:10:16

bangkok_manouel wrote:

I like Arch, don't get me wrong, but the small developer base is really making itself felt right now.
out of curiosity, would you mind to explain a little bit more about this? Thanks.

Uhuhu .. busted....

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Alas, I'd say either go for vanilla Gentoo or better yet wait for Exherbo. Being source-based is where Gentoo drew its power from.

Gullible Jones · 2008-06-14 06:20:50

bangkok_manouel wrote:

I like Arch, don't get me wrong, but the small developer base is really making itself felt right now.
out of curiosity, would you mind to explain a little bit more about this? Thanks.

Updates and bugfixes haven't been proceeding at the usual speed, as many of the devs are on vacation. Certainly nothing I can fault them for.

Gullible Jones · 2008-06-14 06:31:49

sniffles wrote:

bangkok_manouel wrote:
I like Arch, don't get me wrong, but the small developer base is really making itself felt right now.
out of curiosity, would you mind to explain a little bit more about this? Thanks.
Uhuhu .. busted....
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Alas, I'd say either go for vanilla Gentoo or better yet wait for Exherbo. Being source-based is where Gentoo drew its power from.

Eh, I won't be going back to source-based crap again... The benefits are too small compared to the inconveniences. Better a combination of binary package managment and a ports system. Which is why I was thinking of using a BSD, actually.

Stythys · 2008-06-14 06:40:33

um...arch IS a combination of binary package management with ports....no need to switch =P

arch is the most BSD-like distro out there

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sniffles · 2008-06-14 07:24:07

Gullible Jones: source-based isn't crap, kthnx.

If "BSD-like" is what one wants, BSD is what one should use.

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bangkok_manouel · 2008-06-14 08:03:58

Gullible Jones wrote:

bangkok_manouel wrote:
I like Arch, don't get me wrong, but the small developer base is really making itself felt right now.
out of curiosity, would you mind to explain a little bit more about this? Thanks.
Updates and bugfixes haven't been proceeding at the usual speed, as many of the devs are on vacation. Certainly nothing I can fault them for.

thanks for your reply. so well, that's a temporary situation then... and FWIW, I have 652 packages installed on my machine and it takes _no_ effort to keep them up-to-date and "known bug free" (if there's any patch available and/or new release) if any maintainer hadn't have time to do it. otherwise, i'll second sniffles here, you may give something like FreeBSD a try.

Misfit138 · 2008-06-17 15:37:58

FreeBSD is nice, but my memories of it involve a lot more work than I prefer, especially in comparison to pacman.

Redroar · 2008-06-17 17:10:43

FreeBSD really needs to make an honest effort on the binary package front...it's pretty sad at the moment. That and while they have absolutely incredible core userland utilities, they don't include a program for updating ports/packages?

Keeping up-to-date in FreeBSD is 5x more work than in Arch. Literally.

Arch = pacman -Syu > DONE
FreeBSD (for binary) = portsnap fetch
portsnap update
pkgdb -F <work out database inconsistencies>
portupgrade -aP
Hope like crazy it works....Oh yeah, and you need to make packagesite is properly set, and quite a few other config files and variables....

kiepmad · 2008-06-17 18:17:42

lol, long live arch

I want to try BSD for some time but apparently it seems to be some hassle

Misfit138 · 2008-06-17 20:00:24

Redroar wrote:

FreeBSD really needs to make an honest effort on the binary package front...it's pretty sad at the moment. That and while they have absolutely incredible core userland utilities, they don't include a program for updating ports/packages?
Keeping up-to-date in FreeBSD is 5x more work than in Arch. Literally.
Arch = pacman -Syu > DONE
FreeBSD (for binary) = portsnap fetch
portsnap update
pkgdb -F <work out database inconsistencies>
portupgrade -aP
Hope like crazy it works....Oh yeah, and you need to make packagesite is properly set, and quite a few other config files and variables....

This is my memory as well. I hope someone with more BSD experience can set me straight on this, because I eventually just got sick of the process and asked "why bother" and gave up.

MetalRandomist · 2008-06-17 20:10:48

I didn't like Sabayon when I used it. The performance really sucked, and it was so bulky. The install CD wouldn't even let me install just a simple XFCE-only environment; it wanted to throw in the kitchen sink and the sprayer attachment, too.

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z0phi3l · 2008-06-17 22:39:38

MetalRandomist wrote:

I didn't like Sabayon when I used it. The performance really sucked, and it was so bulky. The install CD wouldn't even let me install just a simple XFCE-only environment; it wanted to throw in the kitchen sink and the sprayer attachment, too.

The thing about Sabayon is it's geared to those that want Gentoo without the install "problems" and tends to be an all in one Distro, taking Cues from UBUNTU on throwing everything on the disk to make installs little more painless.

It's not geared at most people that would use Arch, it's more of a go between the UBUNTU take on distros and the Gentoo way of distros, as a matter of fact, before Arch I used Sabayon for a while after getting annoyed by UBUNTU and Linux Mint, so that should give you and idea asz to where I view Sabayon in the greater context of things

Acecero · 2008-06-22 17:43:00

Sabayon maybe a ticket to getting a Gentoo system up and going without the hassle, but the hassle only begins there. Trying to get it to update was rather pain back when I tried it and I did not like the default settings. IMHO, your better off with Gentoo then Sabayon.

MONODA · 2008-06-23 08:30:12

You should try either freebsd or netbsd:
http://www.kompasmedia.nl/index.php?id=34&L=1
http://wiki.netbsd.se/Tutorials

schivmeister · 2008-06-23 08:55:19

Linux Mint is fine for a clickable distro, and so is Sabayon. Bear in mind we are a minority, majority of the people in this world love bloat

And..The mini version was what installed Gentoo for me in less time than a stage3 would have, and I had many many less stuff to worry about uninstalling. Now, though, it's come a long way with a binary package manager. I don't quite know how it works but I'm guessing it's pointless.

Llama · 2008-06-25 13:07:30

There's no such thing as a clickable distro, not now. With Arch you have to RTFM right from the start. With Ubuntu or Sabayon just after the installation is over. Unfortunately, you have to pay twice the price for the first twenty minutes of ease.

Gullible Jones · 2008-06-25 22:46:56

I've tried Mint, it's pretty much point-and-click all the way AFAICT... On the other hand it's one of the slowest distros I've ever used. Yea, far slower than its parent Ubuntu.

lucke · 2008-06-25 23:12:55

'em browncoats stick to Arch - show it a bit of love and it'll fly true.

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Stythys · 2008-06-25 23:56:00

lucke wrote:

'em browncoats stick to Arch - show it a bit of love and it'll fly true.

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