On the road to KDE 4.1

Pierre · 2008-07-28 15:47:27

I recommend using the inittab approach. However: the rc.d script is included in kde-common.

Cerebral · 2008-07-28 15:49:59

Bogart wrote:

Sad day for Arch Linux. Very sad one indeed...

Geez, what's with all the drama? The kdemod/kde4 conflict will be fixed ASAP, and then you can all get your KDE3 from the kdemod guys. In the meantime, just don't -Syu if you don't want KDE4.

neowolf · 2008-07-28 15:56:29

shining wrote:

neowolf wrote:
Question now though, should there be a kdm script under /etc/rc.d/ ?
Only if you actually read the announcement.
* If you want to use the KDE desktop make sure you have kdebase-workspace
installed, which includes the kdm, the taskbar etc.
Edit: sorry that was bullshit. As Pierre said, the kdm *rc.d script* is in kde-common. Sorry again

No need for the apologies. I saw the init.tab stuff, but didn't notice the bit for rc.d. Though since it's recommended I think I'll give that way a try tonight~

firewalker · 2008-07-28 17:07:36

What packages should be put in pacman's ignore list?

shining · 2008-07-28 17:09:34

firewalker wrote:

What packages should be put in pacman's ignore list?

Maybe you can try IgnoreGroup instead. It is documented in pacman.conf man page.

JaQoB · 2008-07-28 17:09:49

And are the nvidia problems solved yet?

zodmaner · 2008-07-28 17:30:52

firewalker wrote:

What packages should be put in pacman's ignore list?

I haven't try this out myself, but maybe you could use IgnoreGroup option to ignore the entire packages in KDE group?

Put the following into your /etc/pacman.conf:

...
IgnoreGroup = kde
...

Should do the trick (I think ).

firewalker · 2008-07-28 18:11:28

ok. Thanks you. I will try...

Bogart · 2008-07-28 18:23:06

firewalker wrote:

What packages should be put in pacman's ignore list?

These are the ones I needed to put. Depending on what you have installed, it may differ a bit:

IgnoreGroup = kde
IgnorePkg   = archlinux-themes-kdm
IgnorePkg   = kde-common
IgnorePkg   = kmplayer
IgnorePkg   = ktorrent
IgnorePkg   = kdelibs3
IgnorePkg   = amarok-engine-xine
IgnorePkg   = amarok-base
IgnorePkg   = gtk-qt-engine
IgnorePkg   = k3b
IgnorePkg   = kaffeine
IgnorePkg   = krename
IgnorePkg   = ksensors
IgnorePkg   = qtcurve-kde3
IgnorePkg   = kdebindings

Flying Saxman · 2008-07-28 18:47:10

So that here are not only complaints: I am very thankful that you already provide KDE 4.1, as I just bought a new Laptop and this way I only have to configure it once (I installed Arch on it just the day, KDE 4.1 hit testing). And: It runs smooth and stable for me! Did not recognize more crashes than under KDE 3.5.9. The only thing that does not work good, are the effects, but that is surely a fault of my graphics-card. I primarily wanted to have a large battery-life and so went for shared-graphics-memory.

Whatever: Thanks Pierre for this great, very great work!

beomuex · 2008-07-28 19:07:25

Thanks for the hint with the igores, they work for me!
I reinstalled kdemod and removed kde4.
I'll wait until the kde/kdemod thing gets fixed and then i give kde4 with the upcoming nvidia drivers a new try.
But nevertheless thanks to Pierre for this fast supply of the new packages.

atordo · 2008-07-28 19:21:26

Bogart wrote:

These are the ones I needed to put. Depending on what you have installed, it may differ a bit:

Thanks for the list, I had to add the following:

IgnorePkg   = kde-i18n-es
IgnorePkg   = kde-l10n-es
IgnorePkg   = koffice
IgnorePkg   = libkipi
IgnorePkg   = yakuake

Of course it all depends on the packages you use.

Onwards · 2008-07-28 19:23:26

Pierre wrote:

OK guys, it's in [extra] now. Have fun. ;-)

Bravo !!

dolby · 2008-07-28 19:37:58

This thread almost makes me wanna install KDE.

pacman -S kde
:: group kde (including ignored packages):
    kdeaccessibility  kdeadmin  kdeartwork  kdebase  kdebase-runtime  kdebase-workspace  kdeedu  kdegames  kdegraphics  kdelibs  kdemultimedia  kdenetwork  
    kdepim  kdepimlibs  kdeplasma-addons  kdesdk  kdetoys  kdeutils  kdewebdev  
:: Install whole content? [Y/n] Y
:: group kde (including ignored packages):
    arts  gwenview  kde-common  kdeaccessibility  kdeaddons  kdeadmin  kdeartwork  kdebase  kdebindings  kdeedu  kdegames  kdegraphics  kdelibs  kdemultimedia  
    kdenetwork  kdepim  kdesdk  kdetoys  kdeutils  
:: Install whole content? [Y/n] Y
resolving dependencies...
looking for inter-conflicts...

Targets: glproto-1.4.9-1  mesa-7.0.3-2  libmng-1.0.10-1  qt-4.4.0-7  gstreamer0.10-0.10.20-1  liboil-0.3.14-1  gstreamer0.10-base-0.10.20-1  phonon-4.2.0-1  
         shared-mime-info-0.30-1  dbus-1.2.1-1  dbus-glib-0.76-1  aspell-0.60.6-1  hunspell-1.2.6-1  enchant-1.4.2-1  freeglut-2.4.0-3  jasper-1.900.1-1  
         fltk-1.1.9-1  openexr-1.4.0a-2  clucene-0.9.20-1  strigi-0.5.11-1  libxslt-1.1.24-1  raptor-1.4.18-1  postgresql-libs-8.3.3-1  
         libmysqlclient-5.0.60-1  redland-1.0.8-1  soprano-2.1-1  kdelibs-4.1.0-3  kdeaccessibility-4.1.0-1  akonadi-1.0.0-1  pth-2.0.7-1  libksba-1.0.2-1  
         libassuan-1.0.4-2  libcap-1.10-2  pinentry-0.7.3-2  dirmngr-0.9.7-1  gnupg2-2.0.8-1  gpgme-1.1.6-1  kdepimlibs-4.1.0-1  kdeadmin-4.1.0-1  
         libxvmc-1.0.4-1  audiofile-0.2.6-3  esd-0.2.39-1  wavpack-4.50.0-1  xine-lib-1.1.14-1  hicolor-icon-theme-0.10-1  rarian-0.8.0-1  smbclient-3.0.30-2  
         kdebase-runtime-4.1.0-1  capseo-158-1  libcaptury-158-1  qimageblitz-0.0.4-1  scrnsaverproto-1.1.0-2  libxss-1.1.3-1  lm_sensors-3.0.2-1  
         libxklavier-3.5-1  kdebase-workspace-4.1.0-2  libglade-2.6.2-1  xorg-res-utils-1.0.3-2  xscreensaver-5.06-1  kdeartwork-4.1.0-1  libraw1394-1.3.0-1  
         kdebase-4.1.0-2  boost-1.35.0-1  openbabel-2.2.0-1  indilib-0.5-1  libnova-0.12.1-1  cln-1.2.2-1  libqalculate-0.9.6-3  gsl-1.11-1  kdeedu-4.1.0-1  
         libggz-0.0.14.1-1  ggz-client-libs-0.0.14.1-1  kdegames-4.1.0-2  poppler-0.8.4-1  poppler-qt-0.8.4-1  ghostscript-8.62-2  libspectre-0.2.0-1  
         exiv2-0.17.1-1  libexif-0.6.16-1  hal-info-0.20080508-1  libsmbios-2.0.2-1  dmidecode-2.9-2  libx86-0.99-1  vbetool-1.0-2  pm-utils-1.1.2.2-1  
         hal-0.5.11-1  libgphoto2-2.4.2-1  libieee1284-0.2.11-1  sane-1.0.19-2  chmlib-0.39-1  libdjvu-3.5.20-1  qca-2.0.1-2  libzip-0.8-1  
         ebook-tools-0.1.1-1  kdegraphics-4.1.0-3  musicbrainz-2.1.5-1  libmpcdec-1.2.6-1  fftw-3.1.2-2  libofa-0.9.3-1  taglib-1.5-1  libmp4v2-1.6-1  
         tunepimp-0.5.3-5  kdemultimedia-4.1.0-1  libvncserver-0.9.1-1  openslp-1.2.1-1  libidn-1.0-1  libotr-3.2.0-1  telepathy-qt-0.14.1.2031-1  
         tapioca-qt-0.14.1.2066-1  decibel-0.5.0-1  kdenetwork-4.1.0-2  bluez-libs-3.32-1  gnokii-0.6.22-3  kdepim-4.1.0-1  kdeplasma-addons-4.1.0-1  
         neon-0.28.2-2  apr-1.3.2-1  apr-util-1.3.2-2  subversion-1.4.6-4  kdesdk-4.1.0-1  kdetoys-4.1.0-1  kdeutils-4.1.0-1  kdewebdev-4.1.0-1  
         kde-common-4.1.0-2  libsndfile-1.0.17-2  jack-audio-connection-kit-0.109.2-1  qt3-3.3.8-8  arts-1.5.9-2  libart-lgpl-2.3.20-1  libdaemon-0.12-1  
         avahi-0.6.23-1  kdelibs3-3.5.9-1  libkipi-0.1.6-2  gwenview-1.4.2-3  kdeaddons-3.5.9-3  qscintilla-2.2-1  kdebindings-4.1.0-2  

Total Download Size:    508.00 MB
Total Installed Size:   1215.35 MB

Proceed with installation? [Y/n]

But im still not convinced.

Pierre · 2008-07-28 19:45:05

Try running pacman -Sy before; your sync-db is not really in sync as it lists kde3 and kde4 packages.

dolby · 2008-07-28 19:59:15

Pierre wrote:

Try running pacman -Sy before; your sync-db is not really in sync as it lists kde3 and kde4 packages.

pacman -S kde
:: group kde (including ignored packages):
    kdebase-workspace  
:: Install whole content? [Y/n] Y
:: group kde (including ignored packages):
    kdeaccessibility  kdeadmin  kdeartwork  kdebase  kdebase-runtime  kdebase-workspace  kdeedu  kdegames  kdegraphics  kdelibs  kdemultimedia  kdenetwork  
    kdepim  kdepimlibs  kdeplasma-addons  kdesdk  kdetoys  kdeutils  kdewebdev  
:: Install whole content? [Y/n] Y
resolving dependencies...
looking for inter-conflicts...

Targets: glproto-1.4.9-1  mesa-7.0.3-2  libmng-1.0.10-1  qt-4.4.0-7  gstreamer0.10-0.10.20-1  liboil-0.3.14-1  gstreamer0.10-base-0.10.20-1  phonon-4.2.0-1  
         shared-mime-info-0.30-1  dbus-1.2.1-1  dbus-glib-0.76-1  aspell-0.60.6-1  hunspell-1.2.6-1  enchant-1.4.2-1  freeglut-2.4.0-3  jasper-1.900.1-1  
         fltk-1.1.9-1  openexr-1.4.0a-2  clucene-0.9.20-1  strigi-0.5.11-1  libxslt-1.1.24-1  raptor-1.4.18-1  postgresql-libs-8.3.3-1  
         libmysqlclient-5.0.60-1  redland-1.0.8-1  soprano-2.1-1  kdelibs-4.1.0-3  libxvmc-1.0.4-1  audiofile-0.2.6-3  esd-0.2.39-1  wavpack-4.50.0-1  
         xine-lib-1.1.14-1  hicolor-icon-theme-0.10-1  rarian-0.8.0-2  libcap-1.10-2  smbclient-3.0.30-2  kdebase-runtime-4.1.0-1  capseo-158-1  
         libcaptury-158-1  scrnsaverproto-1.1.0-2  libxss-1.1.3-1  lm_sensors-3.0.2-1  libxklavier-3.5-1  qimageblitz-0.0.4-1  kdebase-workspace-4.1.0-3  
         kdeaccessibility-4.1.0-1  akonadi-1.0.0-1  pth-2.0.7-1  libksba-1.0.2-1  libassuan-1.0.4-2  pinentry-0.7.3-2  dirmngr-0.9.7-1  gnupg2-2.0.8-1  
         gpgme-1.1.6-1  kdepimlibs-4.1.0-1  kdeadmin-4.1.0-1  libglade-2.6.2-1  xorg-res-utils-1.0.3-2  xscreensaver-5.06-1  kdeartwork-4.1.0-1  
         libraw1394-1.3.0-1  kdebase-4.1.0-2  boost-1.35.0-1  openbabel-2.2.0-1  indilib-0.5-1  libnova-0.12.1-1  cln-1.2.2-1  libqalculate-0.9.6-3  
         gsl-1.11-1  kdeedu-4.1.0-1  libggz-0.0.14.1-1  ggz-client-libs-0.0.14.1-1  kdegames-4.1.0-2  poppler-0.8.4-1  poppler-qt-0.8.4-1  ghostscript-8.62-2  
         libspectre-0.2.0-1  exiv2-0.17.1-1  libexif-0.6.16-1  hal-info-0.20080508-1  libsmbios-2.0.2-1  dmidecode-2.9-2  libx86-0.99-1  vbetool-1.0-2  
         pm-utils-1.1.2.2-1  hal-0.5.11-1  libgphoto2-2.4.2-1  libieee1284-0.2.11-1  sane-1.0.19-2  chmlib-0.39-1  libdjvu-3.5.20-1  qca-2.0.1-2  libzip-0.8-1  
         ebook-tools-0.1.1-1  kdegraphics-4.1.0-3  musicbrainz-2.1.5-1  libmpcdec-1.2.6-1  fftw-3.1.2-2  libofa-0.9.3-1  taglib-1.5-1  libmp4v2-1.6-1  
         tunepimp-0.5.3-5  kdemultimedia-4.1.0-1  libvncserver-0.9.1-1  openslp-1.2.1-1  libidn-1.0-1  libotr-3.2.0-1  telepathy-qt-0.14.1.2031-1  
         tapioca-qt-0.14.1.2066-1  decibel-0.5.0-1  kdenetwork-4.1.0-2  bluez-libs-3.32-1  gnokii-0.6.22-3  kdepim-4.1.0-2  kdeplasma-addons-4.1.0-1  
         neon-0.28.2-2  apr-1.3.2-1  apr-util-1.3.2-2  subversion-1.4.6-4  kdesdk-4.1.0-1  kdetoys-4.1.0-1  kdeutils-4.1.0-1  kdewebdev-4.1.0-1  

Total Download Size:    456.76 MB
Total Installed Size:   1038.19 MB

Proceed with installation? [Y/n]

shining · 2008-07-28 20:15:47

dolby wrote:

This thread almost makes me wanna install KDE.
pacman -S kde
<snip>
Total Download Size:    508.00 MB
Total Installed Size:   1215.35 MB

Proceed with installation? [Y/n]
But im still not convinced.

Ahahahah yes, it was difficult for me as well. But well, I always told myself I would try kde4 once 4.1 is released, so here I go.
I will force myself to use it at least for a while, so that I know what it is all about.

Mikko777 · 2008-07-28 21:29:27

shining wrote:

dolby wrote:
This thread almost makes me wanna install KDE.
pacman -S kde
<snip>
Total Download Size:    508.00 MB
Total Installed Size:   1215.35 MB

Proceed with installation? [Y/n]
But im still not convinced.
Ahahahah yes, it was difficult for me as well. But well, I always told myself I would try kde4 once 4.1 is released, so here I go.
I will force myself to use it at least for a while, so that I know what it is all about.

Here's a free hint:

pacman -S kdemod

Targets: qtmod-4.4.0-4  kdemod-kde-common-4.1.0-1  kdemod-kdelibs-4.1.0-1
         kdemod-kdepimlibs-4.1.0-1  kdemod-kdebase-runtime-4.1.0-1
         kdemod-kdebase-4.1.0-1  kdemod-kdebase-runtime-icons-4.1.0-1
         kdemod-kdebase-workspace-4.1.0-2
         kdemod-kdebase-workspace-wallpapers-4.1.0-2
         kdemod-kdegraphics-common-4.1.0-1
         kdemod-kdegraphics-gwenview-4.1.0-1
         kdemod-kdegraphics-kamera-4.1.0-1
         kdemod-kdegraphics-okular-4.1.0-1
         kdemod-kdemultimedia-common-4.1.0-1
         kdemod-kdemultimedia-dragonplayer-4.1.0-1
         kdemod-kdemultimedia-kmix-4.1.0-1
         kdemod-kdemultimedia-kscd-4.1.0-1  kdemod-kdenetwork-common-4.1.0-1
         kdemod-kdenetwork-kget-4.1.0-1  kdemod-kdenetwork-kopete-4.1.0-1
         kdemod-kdepim-common-4.1.0-1  kdemod-kdepim-akregator-4.1.0-1
         kdemod-kdepim-kaddressbook-4.1.0-1  kdemod-kdepim-kmail-4.1.0-1
         kdemod-kdepim-knotes-4.1.0-1  kdemod-kdepim-korganizer-4.1.0-1
         kdemod-kdeutils-common-4.1.0-1  kdemod-kdeutils-ark-4.1.0-1
         kdemod-kdeutils-kcalc-4.1.0-1  kdemod-kdeutils-kgpg-4.1.0-1
         kdemod-kdeutils-kwallet-4.1.0-1  kdemod-kgrubeditor-0.7-1
         kdemod-shaman-1.0.0-1

Total Download Size:    160.32 MB
Total Installed Size:   353.56 MB

Proceed with installation? [Y/n]

http://www.kdemod.ath.cx/bbs/viewtopic.php?id=871

Last edited by Mikko777 (2008-07-28 21:32:23)

Cave · 2008-07-28 21:36:41

Thanks, it works great for me - upgraded from 3.5.9 without any issues

dhave · 2008-07-28 21:43:49

The decision of Arch devs to follow the upgrade path of KDE is no reason to abandon Arch.

It's not that big a deal to keep KDE3.5 from upgrading. You can block KDE3.5 from automatically being updated, then you can manually update any of its components whenever you please.

Like any good software, KDE is always evolving. The Arch decision-makers would be wrong just to say, "We want to freeze KDE in its present state."

That's an option for invididual users, and one real advantage of Arch is how much control the user actually has over what gets upgraded or updated and what remains the same.

Arch provides all the tools necessary to maintain KDE3.5x through the rest of its existence. All that's necessary is for someone to provide the packages or the PKGBUILDs.

dimi · 2008-07-28 21:49:17

JaQoB wrote:

And are the nvidia problems solved yet?

As you can read here: http://liquidat.wordpress.com/2008/07/2 … y-problem/; the problem is the nvidia driver, not kde.

Btw, KDE4.1 is working great for me (so far ), thanks for providing it!

Edit: Whoops, posted wrong link...

Last edited by dimi (2008-07-28 21:58:07)

shining · 2008-07-28 21:53:46

Mikko777 wrote:

Here's a free hint
pacman -S kdemod


Total Download Size:    160.32 MB
Total Installed Size:   353.56 MB

Proceed with installation? [Y/n]
http://www.kdemod.ath.cx/bbs/viewtopic.php?id=871

Well you know, when you are used to run dwm with mostly terminal apps, that is still a huge shock

But well kde 4.1 seems to run nicely and looks neat. Though I have probably seen only 5% of all the bloat I installed, so I still have a lot of work to do.

dhave · 2008-07-28 21:56:53

JaQoB wrote:

And are the nvidia problems solved yet?

It did my system a world of good just to disable VSync under System Settings / Desktop Effects / General / Advanced Options. (I think it was Pierre who suggested this. I tried all kinds of other xorg.conf tweaks and nvidia-settings options, but this is the one that really helped (the others, I'm not sure about).

I'm running an NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M in a Thinkpad T61p.

quetzyg · 2008-07-28 22:08:47

dolby wrote:

pacman -S kde
:: group kde (including ignored packages):
    kdebase-workspace  
:: Install whole content? [Y/n] Y
:: group kde (including ignored packages):
    kdeaccessibility  kdeadmin  kdeartwork  kdebase  kdebase-runtime  kdebase-workspace  kdeedu  kdegames  kdegraphics  kdelibs  kdemultimedia  kdenetwork  
    kdepim  kdepimlibs  kdeplasma-addons  kdesdk  kdetoys  kdeutils  kdewebdev

You should definitely say N here! Do you really need all that? No wonder it eats a lot of disk space.

When installing the KDE group, I said NO to the following packages:
- kdeaccessibility (fortunately I don't need this)
- kdeartwork (I'm fine with the default artwork)
- kdeedu (I prefer other things to help me learn)
- kdegames (I don't care about games)
- kdepim (don't use it)
- kdesdk (I don't do KDE development, yet)
- kdetoys (not interested)
- kdewebdev (doesn't suit me)

smartcat99s · 2008-07-28 22:33:32

IMO, the only problem I have with the move is that came _extremely_ fast.

The front page announcement that KDE4.1 was in testing was up for about 24 hours before it moved into extra. I was hoping to have a bit more warning than that -- the announcement didn't say when it was moving to extra. (I knew it was coming from the ML, but I completely missed the part when it was posted on the front page until it was in extra and I got a big surprise when I updated)

I guess I'll be moving to kdemod (3.5.x) sooner than expected on my main machine. I'll still have a second machine with kde4.1 on it, just so I know when it's ready to be my main DE.

[/rant]

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