On the road to KDE 4.1

Cerebral · 2008-07-29 15:44:30

damjan wrote:

making it almost imposible to keep it.

"almost impossible" == a few IgnorePkg lines?

MONODA · 2008-07-29 16:27:15

""almost impossible" == a few IgnorePkg lines?"

would that produce problems in the future?

libervisco · 2008-07-29 16:36:32

I've a problem now: kde4 doesn't appear in the gdm menu. How can I to fix the problem, please?

I have the same issue. Anyone has any hints?

Thanks

Pierre · 2008-07-29 16:40:27

libervisco wrote:

I've a problem now: kde4 doesn't appear in the gdm menu. How can I to fix the problem, please?
I have the same issue. Anyone has any hints?
Thanks

See http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/11047. This will be fixed in the next "wave".

TB2 · 2008-07-29 16:57:48

Tried kdemod 4.1, encountered two heavily annoying bugs and got rid of it right after. I'm not against upgrading, but this release doesn't work for me yet. Especially as kdemod 3.5 really is a superb and solid DE.

1.) urxvt with transparency causes heavy repaint errors and flickering
2.) Kopete is not working properly, e.g. disconnects, freezes, can't be closed without killing.

Of course urxvt and Kopete are things I use all the time. No way to keep it. Looking forward to the next version though.
Oh and yes, I filed bug reports for both bugs upstream. Seems like repaint bugs are quite common for various things in kde4.

mancino · 2008-07-29 17:05:15

bye bye kde4
i go to gnome

Cerebral · 2008-07-29 17:27:18

MONODA wrote:

""almost impossible" == a few IgnorePkg lines?"
would that produce problems in the future?

It could, in the future, yes, as other libraries are updated which KDE3 depends on.

For now, however, it's a perfectly suitable method, and if you really, really want to keep KDE3 as time goes on, the KDEMod is definitely the way to go - those guys have put together a really solid project.

libervisco · 2008-07-29 18:11:12

Pierre wrote:

libervisco wrote:
I've a problem now: kde4 doesn't appear in the gdm menu. How can I to fix the problem, please?
I have the same issue. Anyone has any hints?
Thanks
See http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/11047. This will be fixed in the next "wave".

Thanks, applied the fix and it works.

That said, I'm wondering if it's possible to somehow apply the gtk qt engine. It seems to be installed, but KDE configuration dialogs don't mention it and are also pretty sparse in general.

thorstenhirsch · 2008-07-29 18:24:46

Am I the only one who can't find a way to rip audio cds in KDE4? I can't access media:/ in dolphin and konqueror and I can't find any KDE tool that can do the job. k3b and amarok are still missing ...well, the KDE3 versions are still there.

delmonico · 2008-07-29 18:38:38

I finally made the switch and yes it was a pain in the ass to manually have to move over important stuff like contacts, calendar etc. (to be sure, use the export function to vCards and vCalendars!) and even having to reenter my mail transports, but I really don't regret it. thanks for the packages, works great aside from some minor problems like korganizer being slow... but I'm sure that will be fixed soon

however I kinda agree it could have stayed in [testing] for a while... on the other hand, the switch has to be made for every 3.x user at some point...

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anykey · 2008-07-29 18:45:40

That's exactly what I think, too. People need to get over 3.5 and start using 4.x, it's really usable right now...

The only hassle that cannot be kept off the user's back is the config file issue, but 4.x should be around for a while, so you only have to do it once :-)

neowolf · 2008-07-29 18:51:28

libervisco wrote:

That said, I'm wondering if it's possible to somehow apply the gtk qt engine. It seems to be installed, but KDE configuration dialogs don't mention it and are also pretty sparse in general.

I think the version is arch is still the KDE3 one, so once that's updated we should be good to go.

foggybrain · 2008-07-29 21:12:20

I totally agree with you firewalker !!

Why ruin such a stable foundation Arch system by putting a half baked desktop enviroment on it ?

By putting kde4.1 in extra it is being avocated as being "stable"

brynjolf · 2008-07-29 21:29:12

Archlinux != debian
Seriously though, like... hmmm well hasn't Fedora been running kde4 for... ages now? So Archlinux is seriously lagging, so people, if you didn't know this was coming, where have you been? (that is not actually meant to be a flame, I just wondered what you have missed so you will be better updated next time)

It seems a french mirror is still using KDE3.5 if you want to grab the packages http://mir.archlinux.fr/extra/os/i686/

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Peyton · 2008-07-29 21:45:22

neowolf wrote:

libervisco wrote:
That said, I'm wondering if it's possible to somehow apply the gtk qt engine. It seems to be installed, but KDE configuration dialogs don't mention it and are also pretty sparse in general.
I think the version is arch is still the KDE3 one, so once that's updated we should be good to go.

The newest version is available through AUR, but it has a hard time with Firefox (and colors, at least on my system...but it's very possibel that I'm doing something wrong):

http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=52346

Another user suggested using the qtcurve theme, which seems to be the only completely functional way to make applications consistent.

cbart387 · 2008-07-29 21:53:29

brynjolf wrote:

if you didn't know this was coming, where have you been?

I can't speak for people who want to move back to kde3, but as a user who just installed Arch last Friday there was no warning of an a 'major' package upgrade. There was a notice about it being moved to Testing on Sunday, and then Monday morning it was in extra. The only reason I saw the testing notice was because I've been checking out the site/wiki, over the weekend, to get familiar with the how Arch operates.

I added myself to the dev group so this doesn't happen again (as people have suggested earlier in the thread) but I do think it coud be helpful to have a list of major upgrades that are expected in the near future. For example Upgrading KDE 3.5 to KDE 4.1 is expected late July could be approriate in this case. Maybe I'll make a wiki page for that if there isn't already one...

staple · 2008-07-29 22:02:08

if you don't like the new direction that kde is taking then switch. we shouldn't be stuck with old versions of some software just because a few users don't like the way it works. if you still want kde3 just install the kdemod packages. i for one love the new kde and it's been very stable so far.

11010010110 · 2008-07-29 22:03:25

This is really not ok. We might keep the old KDE packages in a separate folder so that users may still access them

ozar · 2008-07-29 22:21:42

KDE 3.5.9 packages for anyone interested...

The older 3.5.9 packages can be found here, too:

http://ftp.icm.edu.pl/pub/Linux/sunsite … /extra/os/

...but I have no idea how long they might stay there.

11010010110 · 2008-07-29 22:24:40

wgetting -r this now.

If you have KDE 3.5 and did not pacman -Syu yet - backup now /var/lib/pacman and /var/cache/pacman

Bogart · 2008-07-29 22:37:18

kensai wrote:

I'm actually getting tired of people treating Pierre like he did such a bad thing. Whiners should not talk like this to developers.

You either haven't read the thread or you have reading comprehension problems. We have all stressed the great work done by Pierre with providing high quality packages very fast to the users who wanted them. The only (legitimate) criticism here has been about the hasty move of those packages from [testing] to [extra] in less than 24 hours.

A proof that this has been a rushed move is that even kdewebdev has been upgraded. Kdewebdev contains basically one program (Quanta plus, which is by far the best IDE for web development in Linux) and 2 or 3 small apps to complement it. BUT, version 4.1 of kdewebdev lacks Quanta plus! Why? Because it simply is not finished yet, and therefor they didn't include it in the pack.

Now anyone who depends on Quanta + for web development is out of luck. It doesn't exist in Arch Linux anymore. It's gone.

I'll file a bug report so that kdewebdev is downgraded to 3.5 because 4.1 is completely useless in its current state. But again, this is just an example of a hasty decision. Why do you falsely accuse users of treating Pierre badly instead of accepting the facts and say something like: "Sorry guys, you are right. We should have kept those packages in testing for a longer period until all issues were solved. Sorry for the inconvenience. We'll try to handle it better next time"? I guess It's easier to invent things and call users whiners, instead of admitting any mistake...

I'll repeat it, *everyone* here is thankful for Pierre's great work. No one's discussing about it here.

funkyou · 2008-07-29 22:44:07

KDEmod 3.5.9 is back in the action

Check this thread and follow the links: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=52473

Greetings

Jan

Peyton · 2008-07-29 22:45:42

Bogart wrote:

Now anyone who depends on Quanta + for web development is out of luck. It doesn't exist in Arch Linux anymore. It's gone.

Quanta is available from AUR:

http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=18707

Bogart · 2008-07-29 22:51:26

Peyton wrote:

Bogart wrote:
Now anyone who depends on Quanta + for web development is out of luck. It doesn't exist in Arch Linux anymore. It's gone.
Quanta is available from AUR:
http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=18707

Thanks! I didn't know it.

Still, it's not in community, it's unsupported... And kdewebdev-4.1 makes so little sense that I still think it should be downgraded.

Cotton · 2008-07-29 23:02:22

I'm very surprised that this thread demonstrates that many people appear to blindly update their systems without understanding the implications.
IMHO system upgrades should only really be done after using pacman -Syuw. Once the list of upgradable packages has been verified by the user as not likely to cause problems, pacman -Su can be used.
Fairly basic pacman functionality (man pacman) to avoid system breakages, especially with things like kernel upgrades.

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