network, and how to make it work

odorf · 2008-09-14 17:28:34

hi guys. yesterday i tried to install arch linux i686 core iso. and i did it all fine except for the network part. currently i have two pcs. one running windows and connected to the net through a modem/router with an ethernet cable. from the same modem router and using usb i tried to connect the arch linux. of course i didn't make it. i guess i have to do something that the beginner's guide does not include or just forgot a minor detail. i don't have a static ip and that's for sure but also don't know what DHCP and pppoe mean so i kind in the dark here. does anyone have any idea? while booting it tried to wake up network but after some seconds an erroe message comes up with a line or two following but couldn't read them as it disappears quite fast (and i also don't know where to find -if any- the boot logs). pretty much that's all. does anyone have any idea? plz help. thank you

Mr.Elendig · 2008-09-14 17:55:27

Did you have to set up pppoe/pppoa on the windows box, or did you just select to recive the ip?
If you had to set up pppoe/pppoa, then I would recomend to buy a hardware router with a built in switch, and use that to share the connection to your computers. If the later, then the adsl modem might have a built in router, and all you would need is a switch. But from what you describe I suspect that the former is the case, and a hardware router would be the easiest/best solution imo. (but not the cheapest)

odorf · 2008-09-14 18:23:16

from what i know and from what i understand from what you say the modem is also a router. i don't know to what windows box you refer to how did i select to receive the ip. all i did was just inserting a cd coming with the modem/router and entering a username and a password. i forgot to mention that i already tested the above double connection by previously installing windows on both the machines. it worked and i had internet on both of them... but all this in windows.... don't know if i helped you understanding...

odorf · 2008-09-14 18:37:40

ok. the error message when trying to start the network daemon is:

err, eth0: timed out
warn, eth0: using IPV4ALL address 169.254.58.232

Looking at the arch wiki about configuring the network i found out that the /etc/resolv.conf archive is almost empty apart from some lines to which an # precedes. that's all the info i can gather. any ideas?

pyther · 2008-09-15 00:27:20

It doesn't seem like your using dhcp, it appears that your using pppoe as you had enter a username + password on the windows box :-/

I would recommend spending the money and getting a router, that way your setup would be modem -> router -> Computer A
-> Computer B

odorf · 2008-09-15 08:42:57

well i said above that i already managed to have internet on both the computers when i had windows on both of them. i just had to install a driver for the usb so as to get connected. i see of no reason why linux would require additional hardware if it is already tested on windows.

pyther · 2008-09-15 10:17:42

Because there is a really good chance there isn't a usb driver for your modem.

What is the make and model of you modem?

EDIT: Why don't you give the linux box the ethernet and the windows box the usb? That'd for one make your life a bit easier. Then once you give the linux box the ethernet cable you may or may not need setup pppoe, try dhcp first.

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odorf · 2008-09-15 14:04:34

yo dude... if it was that easy i wouldn't be bothering asking here... if you don't know what to do just don't post. the linux pc doesn't have ethernet port. just usb. i could think that myself though. thanks. does any one else has a clue on what to do?

and something else... since when linux requires drivers? i think it would be better to stay on windows then...

byte · 2008-09-15 14:22:10

You won't get far with that attitude here.

Linux requires drivers like any other OS does. In most cases all the hardware support you need comes already with the kernel (modules), everything gets detected on boot and it's more or less "plug&play".
In the case of graphics cards, usb modems (winmodems), wlan stuff, webcams and whatnot, though, there might be either no driver at all or you need to install extra packages, because the driver isn't yet integrated into the kernel. It all depends on how willing the chip manufacturer is to provide support/documentation. And then you still depend on (mostly unpaid for that task) developers to code something that actually works.

Regarding your specific problem: the only USB DSL modem driver I know is for the SpeedTouch one. There's a speedtouch package in the repos, but you need to figure out on your own how to use that.

Mr.Elendig · 2008-09-15 14:40:18

odorf wrote:

yo dude... if it was that easy i wouldn't be bothering asking here... if you don't know what to do just don't post. the linux pc doesn't have ethernet port. just usb. i could think that myself though. thanks. does any one else has a clue on what to do?
and something else... since when linux requires drivers? i think it would be better to stay on windows then...

You didn't provide us with the important piece of information that you don't have a network interface on the linux box. Don't attack us for your own mistakes.

Yous hould also explain _exactly_ how you set up the network on the windows box, so that we may determine if it's an adsl modem or an adsl modem with a built in router, that you are dealing with.

pyther · 2008-09-15 14:45:32

Windows Drivers == Linux modules; as I am in a mixed environment I user the terms interchangeably.

I don't know what you computer has or doesn't have. You have a eth0 so it looks like you have an Ethernet net port on the machine no?

I am trying to help you, you provide us with next to no information and sadly we can't guess what hardware you have, what you have tried, etc...

Maybe windows would be a good choice for you.

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odorf · 2008-09-15 17:27:01

well maybe i would figure out what the wanted info is if you just asked. i made the mistake (as i realise now) to turn to linux but after having the topic on for two days and the best answer is why don't i change the cables. ask any info that you want and i'll give it to you but don't tell me just to explain exactly what do you want because i don't know what you want. i also don't know what the windows box would be since the only time i entered a username and a code was done when i first installed the the modem and inserted the given CD. but i honestly don't know if i want to go on with this anymore. its amazing how fast you replied when i "attacked" to someone. isn't this supposed to be the newbie corner? how on earth should i figure out what is the info that you want. anyway thanks...

pyther · 2008-09-15 19:52:01

pyther wrote:

...
What is the make and model of you modem?
...

This is not a question?

odorf · 2008-09-15 20:36:54

it is a baudtec. what do you mean by "make", i don't know.

pyther · 2008-09-15 22:03:30

Which one do you have? http://www.baudtec.com.tw/products.htm

Also, why aren't you able to use the Ethernet cable on this machine (no ethernet port on the computer, cable to short, etc...)?

Finally have you used another Linux distribution before, or are you new to the Linux scene?

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